Alan Keyes' daughter out of the closet and out of the house

The Illinois Leader ^ | Feb 14, 2005 | The Leader-Chicago Bureau

[unlearner]

I know for a fact that Satanists and similar groups do target judges, politicians, and religious leaders for things like this. Sometimes it is payback, sometimes it is for extortion or blackmail. I have first-hand experience with homosexuals who stalk people who are targets for various reasons.

You need to remember that Keyes has been speaking out on this issue since his daughter was a little girl. It is too much of a coincidence to me that his daughter turns out to be a lesbian. It could be a case of the "lady doth protest too much" but I doubt it. I think her parents did their best to teach her right from wrong. Eventually more to this story is going to come out.

Whether it sounds ridiculous or fantastic does not really determine whether it is true. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. If a movie about a presidential race had been made as a cliffhanger where the outcome was determined by supreme court intervention, before 2000, it would have been considered too contrived to be believed. But it did happen.

But that's OK. It is good for you to have healthy skepticism. While you stay naive, try to stay innocent too.

But then again, you might not want to stay too naive. You might want to learn the true nature of homosexual activism. Try starting with reading the pink swastika:

http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

[Dave S]

I know for a fact that Satanists and similar groups do target judges, politicians, and religious leaders for things like this.

And just how do they do this? Suggest that the judge might enjoy a little running around naked with other similarly middled men and women in the forest culminated by a blood sacrifice of a new born? Yeah I believe that when I see it.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

I agree with your opinion on responsibility for one's actions.

I am one who does not think a parent "owes" their child a college education. Keyes has every right to withdraw financial support.

My issue is with throwing her out of the house and not speaking with her. If the facts are as presented regarding this, IMHO, this is an issue which is not worth totally severing your relationship with your child. There are other options, other ways.

Perhaps it is temporary and part of their coping process. Are they prepared to spend a lifetime not speaking with her or not allowing her in the house if she does not change her lifestyle?

It is easy to love someone when things are going well. It is hard when things get rough and you feel betrayed. But that is when they need your love the most.

[unlearner]

Now that is ridiculous. And I guess I can see where my earlier comments do sound rather outlandish (especially to the uninitiated).

There are people who are "owned" by various cults or groups of perverts or political organizations. It may be that they have incriminating evidence of a crime - murder, child molestation, or something more mundane like tax fraud.

These people can be used to target others who sometimes can also be blackmailed. There are usually limits to what people will do. For example, if someone is blackmailed for seeing a prostitute he might just want to save being publicly humiliated or having his family broken up. He is not going to be willing to drug or molest a child. But he might do something small - like shave a point in a sports game or deny some legal motion (using examples of an athlete or a judge).

Child molesters can be used rather easily. They can be blackmailed to do pretty much anything. Some drug addicts can also.

A child who has been molested makes an easy target for seduction as a teenager, especially if the molestation is kept secret, which it usually is.

Make no mistake, there are people who would pay big money or spend some significant human capital to to do something like this to Alan Keyes' family.

While some groups do use mind control, drugs, and other coercive techniques, a lot of times someone may be targeted on a much smaller level - maybe nothing more than a bet or retaliation for something minor.

Most homosexuals are seduced into that behavior. Many have been molested as children. Don't be surprised if this is the case with this young woman. And don't assume it is coincidental.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Perhaps it is temporary and part of their coping process. Are they prepared to spend a lifetime not speaking with her or not allowing her in the house if she does not change her lifestyle? It is easy to love someone when things are going well. It is hard when things get rough and you feel betrayed. But that is when they need your love the most.

Yeah. It's hard to say without all the facts, and I do not think you can underestimate the turmoil this has caused the other children whom the parents must also consider. Do they need to see this lesbian lifestyle displayed before them on a daily basis? Also, we do not know what other ways Maya has rebelled against the authority of her parents. She obviously feels that this respect travels only one way or she wouldn't be humiliating her father like this. I don't know, I've seen many a troubled teenager -- over this issue and many others. The rest of the family has needs too. That's all I am saying. Love doesn't mean the rest of the family must suffer indefinitely. Maya is 19 and has no right to control the lives of the rest of her family. I will be praying for them and respect however the parents choose to handle it. I'm not the one who has to live with her, nor do I have to worry about the other kids who have emotional ties of their own, to the parents and their sister. I just don't think the rest of us can really judge the situation fairly. I think Alan Keyes is a good man and other than say a prayer for them, I will respect his privacy on this.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

The lesson in this is all families have issues to deal with. No one is immune.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Yeah. It's sad though.

[evangmlw]

Not mentally degenerate! Would be better defined as being bound by the sin of homosexuality. All of us are born with certain weaknesses and sinful tendencies. Homosexuals yield to the temptation and then become enslaved to it. Pedophilia, adultery, beastiality, and other sexual sins, drunkeness and drug addiction, are no different. The solution is to recognize the sin, repent and come to Christ for deliverance.

[secret garden]

What would you expect her to say?

[Amelia]

Why can't she go to a state university instead of an Ivy League college? It would be cheaper. Hey, but why do that when it is (or was) on daddy's dime?!

I'd bet that Daddy encouraged her to go Ivy League as he did, and was quite happy when she was accepted.

It also probably looked good when she deferred college for a year to do missionary work in her mother's home country of India, and when she deferred college for another semester to work on her father's Quixotic Senate campaign.

[guitarist]

Agreed, except: Cheney seems to think that homosexuality is a-ok. So what would he have to "forgive" or "come to terms with"? All's okay. In that respect, Keyes is closer to doing what's right. Kids should know that parents expect them to renounce homosexuality. Lots of people have done it. You can too, Maya!

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

There are a couple of names missing from these threads. Have you noticed that?

[Kleon]

Many have been molested as children.

Can you provide one shred of evidence for this?

[unlearner]

For many homosexuals being molested as children?

Of the very few (open) homosexuals that I have known personally it is apparent that there was either molestation OR sexual acting out before they were teenagers (which is a symptom of molestation). There were four that I knew pretty well. (Two died of AIDS. One claims to be bi-sexual and have not seen him for a long time but have heard he is dating a woman. The other, my best friend as a young child, I have not heard from for many years.) I can say with a degree of certainty that if these four are examples then my point is valid.

I can only repeat what other homosexuals have claimed since I did not know any well enough to know whether they were telling the whole story. I have not discussed much with others except maybe a small number online. One girl that I knew was a lesbian (at about sixteen). She had been molested by a relative.

One man who "hit" on me after giving me a ride from the airport claims he was not molested and I believe his story. He said he was very unpopular as a child and experimented with sex with some girl in his late teens or early twenties. It was a bad experience. Later, he was seduced by an older homosexual man who made him feel loved and accepted. This man claimed to be in a longterm monogamous relationship (with another man). I believe this too, except he was hitting on me. Of course there are plenty of married people who cheat, but I am of the opinion that there are some homosexuals who really do want to just be in one relationship. This does not make it normal though.

I guess I have formed an opinion about that from reading what others have said and written. So, no I cannot PROVE it. I am not in the business of proving it. If you do not want to agree that is your choice.

In fact, I have already conceded that my original comments were rather outlandish - something I often do when I get mad at what I am reading and a bad habit. It is probably a good idea to keep opinions which are not easily defended to one's self, which I did not do and am therefore forced to defend to whoever challenges them (like you).

There are other documents besides the link I gave you that would add some justification to my position, but somehow I do not feel that they would be well received by you, so I think I will defer.

I would rather spend time discussing other things.

[ET(end tyranny)]

How much did the gay crowd pay her?

Enough obviously.

[Netizen]

Dick and Lynn Cheney handled the same situation with more grace and understanding. One would think that Alan Keyes and his wife might have picked up some pointers from them.

Like compromising on their religious convictions? Or become RINO's?

[Netizen]

Dick and Lynn Cheney handled the same situation with more grace and understanding. One would think that Alan Keyes and his wife might have picked up some pointers from them.

Ours too. She made her choice, and it was in direct opposition to everything that their family values stood for.

She isn't content with just being out and on her own and able to do as she pleases. She needs to rubs her parents faces in it, too and continue to hurt them, and work against their values.

I guess that's what people with no moral values do best.

[JeffAtlanta]

I wonder how many conservative political and religious leaders have had their children targeted for homosexual seduction.

Its talk like this that keeps the democratic party alive. Its no wonder that they get so much traction when they call us all nuts.

[JeffAtlanta]

Many have been molested as children. Can you provide one shred of evidence for this?

Don't expect to every get a straight answer on this. Its all based on anecdotal experiences with those that have "turned away from the sinful lifestyle." Objective statistics just don't bear it out however.

Its ideas like this that make us look like backwoods idiots.

[jennyp]

Please excuse the insertion of some more facts to this debate, but here's the text of her speech (as posted on her blog):

God works in really screwed up ways sometimes - there are times in life when He doesn't just nudge you gently in the direction He wants you to go, he sorta - takes a 2x4 and whacks you over the head a few times - last month felt a lot like that for me. 
These past few weeks two things happened and it became absolutely clear to me why I had to speak here today.
To begin with, I was having issues at home - issues that we'd been having for quite a while, but things just came to a head - liberal queer + conservative Republican just doesn't mesh too well.  So that was making life a little turbulent - and on top of that, the second thing was that while I was out in Chicago I got news from my friends back here around DC that one of my really good friends was not doing too well.
This kid, Shymmer, he and I were a lot alike. Like me, he grew up queer in a very conservative household.  Only, he came out to his parents back when we were juniors in high school - and they promptly just threw him out of their house. So, sixteen years old, not even through with high school, and he was out on the streets.  He did manage to finish high school - somehow even with no roof over his head he kept his grades up, got into good colleges - but after a year out there things were just getting worse and worse for him - he was going home with any man who'd give him a roof over his head for the night, wound up with some people who just abused him awfully - by the time we caught up with him again it was just horrifying to see what too much time spent trying to survive out there had done to him.
The thing that really got to me in this whole situation was the contrast between what's happened to both of us -
For me, people got to hear that things were difficult for me, and I got flooded with emails of support, people telling me, don't worry, no matter how rough it gets, we're all sending you our best wishes - somehow you'll make it through everything okay. And that was great, I was really touched; but in the midst of it all I got this call about Shymmer back home, who had lost so much weight they were thinking of taking him to the hospital; I'd been saying lots of prayers for him and in the middle of praying once it just hit me how wrong it all was.  The first time something goes wrong in my life I get hundreds of people offering support, prayers, donations, people offering me spare bedrooms to crash in and telling me how they were going to make sure that I got through school alright; people writing to me to tell me that even if it feels like everything's going downhill there are people out there who care.  And Shymmer, he'd been out there for over two years now; been hungry and freezing and beaten up and raped and his situation was so incomparably worse than mine; and what support was offered him? He got the support his handful of friends had to offer; but where is the community that offers to stand in solidarity behind him? Where are the hundreds of expressions of sympathy, support, outrage that this boy who had had such a bright future had spent two years starving in alleys?

The worst part is that he isn't the only one.  This past summer I read in the International Herald Tribune something that anyone who has much to do with homeless kids has probably already noticed - approximately 40% of homeless youth were LGBTQ. For 3-10% of the population to make up 40% of  street kids - think about that.  I have known a lot of street kids; and I have known a whole lot of queer street kids, kids who were cut off by their parents solely because of who they are, kids who'd done absolutely nothing to deserve the treatment they were getting.  I've seen these kids struggle out there and I've seen these kids die out there - kids like Shymmer, who passed away this Friday -  and I have seen far too much silence about the reality of this problem.  I won't be silent any longer.

So yes, this is a speech about how it's hard growing up queer in a conservative household - but it's not a speech about me.  Sure, I did grow up in a really conservative household; and, okay, it was a slightly more high-profile household than most people's - but this isn't a speech about me.  This is about the thousands of kids across the country growing up in houses where they're raised hearing constantly how they are somehow wrong, unnatural, immoral just because of who they are - kids who are rejected by those who should love them most - and we have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it feels like everything in the world is rejecting them, they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, I care.

From this from other of her posts to her blog, she's just had to help bury a friend from high school who had been kicked out of his house at age 16 by his God-fearing, conservatively-correct parents and ended up living on the streets.

Of course this is her side of the story, yadda yadda yadda. But if I had been lesbian and I grew up with a sanctimonious blowhard politician of a father, I could easily have embraced loony leftism at that age just as an emotional refuge.