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To: joesbucks
You can get in a urination match with the Bushbots who are honked because of Alan's words that have been used against the President. Fine.

Call it what you like, it is not my concern to discern other's motives for twisting and lying about what Keyes has said. I simply like to refute that dishonesty.

Why would Alan use her during his campaign with colors on (photos were displayed here when this first came up last fall) and then suddenly decide to cut her off?

I don't know. You characterize it as using her. I don't know if it was or not. This is what he said about his daughter in respect to body surfing in a previous campaign, FWIW:

MANCOW: You said a lot of stuff that nobody else said and won't say. Basic things, commonsense things.

KEYES: Well, I try.

MANCOW: And then you crowd surfed. Remember that?

KEYES: Oh, yes, indeed. I certainly do. I can thank my daughter for that. I'd thank her every day. I thank God for my daughter, but then I thank my daughter for the fact that she was the one, she was the only voice who piped up, "Dad, do it, Dad!"

See, everybody else was against it, and my daughter was for it, and anybody who has a daughter knows who won that one.

... To completely shut one out is going too far. There are many sins. How and where do you draw the line between what you let pass and where you draw a line in the sand.

Firt of all it's a family matter and I have no interest in judging how another man treats his wife or children unless he's abusing them.

The reason I have not posted one word about this is that I don't know the truth of it. She has obviously taken on the role of an activist with an agenda and her's is the only side of the story we have here.

If the situation is as simple and uncomplicated, without any precedent of family in-fighting between Alan and his daughter, as you and she portray it then I would agree that it sounds very harsh.

I am not a father I am not a Christian and I am not a moralist but if I did have children I would set boundaries for their behavior. I would state rules and consequences and I would follow through. Outright defiance would not be tolerated.

There is no love or compassion in ignoring willfully destructive behavior like that. To forgo the consequences you have set for your children is to abandon parental responsibility. There is zero love in that. If your child is past the age where you can rightfully exercise authority over them then they no longer have a right to live with you or expect sustenance from you.

Insisting that your parents provide you with security, shelter and sustenance while exercising you own adult free-will to engage in self-destructive behavior, or behavior that is antithetical to the standards of morality and ethics that they set for their own household, is to ask your parents to participate in it. That is the ethical maturity of a five yr. old.

621 posted on 02/15/2005 8:27:55 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: TigersEye
Insisting that your parents provide you with security, shelter and sustenance while exercising you own adult free-will to engage in self-destructive behavior, or behavior that is antithetical to the standards of morality and ethics that they set for their own household, is to ask your parents to participate in it.

I believe if you read my thoughts regarding this, I've never supported him financing her behavior. It's his house, his right to pay for education, his right to tell her to go it on her own with regard to how she finds shelter, food and education. I have expressed concern about not speaking to her.

an Open line to counsel, not preach, to encourage and not judge is going to be necessary. Sometimes these situations are not all or nothing propositions. He must be careful to not entirely shut her out but always have some sort of open door to allow re-entry.

624 posted on 02/15/2005 8:38:34 AM PST by joesbucks
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