Posted on 02/14/2005 12:32:30 AM PST by RWR8189
If she does then how will they know, what with them not speaking to her at all? And most of all why should they care? They have cut themselves off from their daughter, cut off all contact, thrown her out of the house, divorced her from the family. Having made it clear that there are limits to their love for their child, how can a relationship ever be repaired after that?
It's really difficult for Christians when their children turn out gay. You think you're bringing them up in the nurture and admonitions of the Lord and oops, all of a sudden you find out that they're homosexual. It's hard for any parent, Christian or not, but I think for Christians it's difficult because we know how God feels about it and it's sin. None of us wants our kids to get involved that way because it's downright dangerous spiritually as well as physically and morally.
We've had several children in our congregation who have gone int hat direction. Thank God that one of them, a young woman, has repented and turned away from it. Another one has split with her partner and one can only hope it won't happen again. One young man is gay but that didn't surprise me when I heard about it. My ex-daughter in law has two brothers, twins, who are gay. It's a devastation for her parents who love them. None of these parents have turned their backs on their children, though. Prayer has certainly helped. Gays CAN be delivered from that lifestyle, no matter what the world thinks.
She said so.
Again, how do you know that?
My father didn't pay for any of my education either. And it was made clear to me that when I turned 18, I was out of the house and on my own. On those factors alone are you prepared to judge that my father divorced me from the family?
How do you know she's telling the truth?
Again, she said so. Are you saying that she's lying?
This is exactly what I would do.
The question was"How do you know he won't talk to her."
I posted some indirect evidence, since I don't live with them, nor am I privy to their private conversations.
My statements "wash" because they are statements of fact.
You may certainly consider them insufficient, but you have also not posted any contrary evidence.
I might also add that Keyes has _de facto_ taken the private family matter public by cutting off his daughter's college funds. When she sought alternative sources the information was bound to come out.
She said so.
She's a queer liberal activist. I expect she lies a lot.
I normally wouldn't have mentioned it; but, since you brought it up, "Matthew" is spelled with two Ts.
Copy-and-paste is my friend.
:-)
She is certainly biased. Do you disagree?
Indeed. Karmic payback is a bitch.
I'd like to say something here in regard to "putting God back in the schools." I was raised Roman Catholic, attending Mass every Sunday as well as religious instruction twice a week.
In fact, other than saying the Pledge of Allegiance each morning, there was no mention or discussion of God in the classroom. Other religions were mentioned in a historical/political context, but there were no major discussions about religion.
What we had in public school (back in the good old days), was God in the background. In other words, the schools accepted the fact that religion was a part of our family life and made no attempt to disrupt or deny that. Before "tolerance" and "diversity" became requirements, the schools were tolerant and diverse.
I remember at Christmas time we worked on enormous murals and door decorations. There were Santas and nativity scenes and stars and menorrahs and Christmas trees. There were no rules about what we could or could not draw or say. We were not taught in school to be sensitive and respectful. Those were things we learned in our homes and wore to school. When a student from a different state, different country, or different religion came to our school, they were not treated any differently. The teacher would introduce the new student and perhaps, for the first week after his or her arrival, would be inundated with friendly questions during recess or lunch. After the novelty wore off, the new student was simply accepted as one of us.
Why did this change? The first incident I remember took place about 15 years ago. A school a few towns away from where I live had various pieces of exceptional student artwork on the walls. Some of the pieces had been up for years. A Jewish couple moved into the area and enrolled their child in this school. During a school event, the couple became aware of one piece of student art which was Christian in nature. Suddenly, the school was embroiled in a lawsuit over the artwork. The Jewish couple claimed it offended their child. Naturally, the ACLU became involved. The Jewish couple won their case and the artwork was taken off the wall.
And so it began...
An interesting admission. It certainly doesn't stop you from rendering a judgment that the adult daughter is telling the truth.
They don't hate their daughter. That's nonsense. They love her but they don't love the sin of homosexuality. There IS a difference, you know. My son is living with his girlfriend. I love them both but I hate the example he's setting for his children. People suffer spiritually from sin. Christians know that and we would love to see our kids delivered from their sexual sins. Sometimes harsh methods are needed; sometimes not. It's easy to sit at FR and judge what the Keyes' and other parents are doing. Not so easy to have to go through it yourself.
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Get off it sinkspur. Your anti-Christian bent always comes through,doesn't it?
I see why Keyes was strong against gay rights.(I'm not for gay rights).
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