Which reminds me. You never explained to USNBandit how an F-35 could VIFF.
***Yes I did, do a search for "brainfart". Please read through the posts before going into accusation mode, and lose the attitude.
"so let's see some comments on the primary source material using other primary source material."
Your primary source material is out of date.
***Fair Enough. Feel free to post updated primary source material. That should clear up the discrepancies.
And until you can offer a quote from Commander Ward discussing the lethal technique of VIFFing over the Falklands, I'm afraid I'm unimpressed.
***Why are you avoiding the " 7 to 1 valid kill claim by the SHARs" from Ward's book? I guess I don't aim to impress you if you don't accept primary source material.
"All right, then let's go & find some primary source material that refutes the kill ratios & Turn Rate stuff."
You mean your anonymous chatsite cut and pastes? I've got one word for you...COIN.
***As I stated, "These tend to be secondary sources rather than primary sources, but the fact that both sides agree on certain facts tends to be highly significant." And, this is an anonymous site as well. So feel free to point all of us in the right direction.
Well, I gotta go now. Kid's crying.
You couldn't have for one simple reason. IT CAN'T!
Yes, "brainfart" was the key to solving that question. But it also led me to this statement of yours... "It really is a mystery to me why Lockheed dropped VIFFing." Just a thought, but maybe it has something to do with what everyone on this thread is trying to tell you. As far as "losing the attitude" is concerned...when you call people frauds, you tend to raise some hackles.
"Feel free to post updated primary source material."
VIFFing isn't done. There is no updated primary source data. I can't give you updated primary source data that says the world is flat either.
"Why are you avoiding the " 7 to 1 valid kill claim by the SHARs" from Ward's book? I guess I don't aim to impress you if you don't accept primary source material. "
That was his account of a training mission that took place 26 years ago. The Eagles were no doubt using AIM-9P's which are not an all aspect missile and nowhere near as capable as even the AIM-9L which the Brits used in the Falklands. This was obviously the first time any F-15's had flown against the Sea Harrier, and very little was known about it. Because the Sea Harrier was brand new, I'd venture to say its pilots were among the most experienced in the Royal Navy. And nowhere in Ward's account of fighting the Eagles does he mention "VIFFing". If this single incident is your only support for the Harrier's air to air superiority, again, I have to say I am unimpressed.