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Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
The Scotsman ^ | Feb 13, 2005 | unknown

Posted on 02/13/2005 3:46:33 PM PST by Cincinnatus

Sister Lucia Marto, the last of three children who claimed to have seen the Virgin Mary in a series of 1917 apparitions, has died, Portuguese media reported today. She was 97.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1917; fatima; lucia; luciainmyoatmeal; luciaonmytoast; obituary; olfatima; portugal; secret; sisterlucia; sisterlucy; sourcery; thirdsecret
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

There is a document that one of the seers at LaSalette passed around when she was older that was not approved, and this is maybe what you were thinking about...but the original apparition and message was approved.


161 posted on 02/14/2005 10:08:48 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Prolifeconservative

About Medjugorje-No.


162 posted on 02/14/2005 10:15:11 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: HitmanNY

Hi HitmanNy,You better behave yourself:)Struck terror is not true-aurora Borealis true.Kinda like the little streak we all saw from NY to Pa and began in Washington before 9-11.


163 posted on 02/14/2005 10:44:00 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: MHT

Yes.


164 posted on 02/14/2005 10:50:54 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

:) Love your post.


165 posted on 02/14/2005 10:59:43 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: fatima

That I agree with - and I am behaving myself!


166 posted on 02/14/2005 11:00:10 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: rwfromkansas

You are off topic here.


167 posted on 02/14/2005 11:18:03 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: HitmanNY

I know you are a good guy and have not spoken to you in ages,Happy Valentine's Beautiful and behave yourself with the beautiful.I know you might not remember me but we were in chat before election of Bush first time:)


168 posted on 02/14/2005 11:21:38 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: fatima

A good chat, I hope? :-) God bless, happy Valentines,a nd keep the faith. (I left nyc in 2002, though and have been happily living in Nevada).

Keep he faith!


169 posted on 02/14/2005 11:52:05 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY

Wow you move around alot.Your chat was fun with pics of your NY friends-you were bragging a little with pics of the stars but you know what Hitman you were honest and for real:) God Bless.


170 posted on 02/15/2005 12:01:44 AM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Do you believe you are not saved unless you never sin?

I believe it is possible to have sinned, repented, be forgiven then possibly gain eternal salvation. I believe that Christ clearly teaches this and teaches what one must obediently believe and do in this regard; however, objectively in but few cases it is almost impossible to discern the fate of another in this regard (not discounting the possibility that an individual may know only himself that he is not a sinner and is holy).

The Catholic Church canonizes saints based upon the teachings of Christ in addition to taking into account objective evidence of the Holy Spirit manifested in certain individuals e.g. miracles. Regarding canonization, the Church looks objectively at all evidence in regard to that which comprised and comprises the life and legacy of an individual after they have passed before declaring them saint.

A person may have gravely sinned repeatedly during his life and still attain eternal salvation; however, no one including the Church could objectively know his fate as there is only One who knows in such a case. Finally, as to saints, if any contrary evidence were to come to light or evidence was found to be lacking -saint 'status' would be removed.

171 posted on 02/15/2005 7:07:29 AM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers

In other words, those who are Canonized are sinless?

Where is that in Scripture?


172 posted on 02/15/2005 7:33:50 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas
In other words, those who are Canonized are sinless?

Not necessarily -remember, the totality of scripture AND our limits temporally come into play as to our ability to discern. Those who are Canonized are said to be in Heaven and are but a subset of all who potentially are in Heaven that we do not know of...

All that can be said regarding the sinless is that those who are sinless and accept Christ are accepted with open arms by Christ into eternal salvation. Paul was a bigtime sinner yet he is a saint now -why? Because Paul was forgiven and objectively we know this by Christ's testimony... Objective evidence versus subjective evidence is what we humans are relegated to as we can not read the hearts of men as only He can....

Objective evidence...

173 posted on 02/15/2005 8:29:23 AM PST by DBeers
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To: streetpreacher
God has a mom? What about a grandma?

St. Anne, of course. And Joachim is his grampa. Don't they teach anything in the schools anymore?

174 posted on 02/15/2005 8:58:33 AM PST by Cincinnatus
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To: rwfromkansas
P.S.

What authentically underlies and what actually comprises the processes of beatification and canonization are not well understood by many and the subject entails much more than what is often only discussed on the surface.

If you want to look more deeply into the subject here are a few links to get you going:

The Canonization of Saints:
(An outline of the history and the processes of beatification and canonization)

Catholic Pages Directory: » Saints

175 posted on 02/15/2005 9:09:53 AM PST by DBeers
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To: It's me
I think that La Salette is not condemned but it does not have the Churches approval either. >>

From what source do you get your information? And What about the appearances of Jesus? You make no mention of them.
176 posted on 02/15/2005 9:10:45 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I made a mistake and I wrote something that someone told me.

When I actually thought about it, there were lots of apparitions, Teresa Neuman, Anne Catherine Emmerich, Josefa Menendez, to name a few, that are approved.

I truly am sorry.


177 posted on 02/15/2005 10:05:33 PM PST by It's me
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