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To: P_A_I
"There you go again, claiming/advocating that States can ignore the US Constitutions BOR's. - How daft."

Daft? Oh my. That's the way the U.S. Constitution was written and ratified. The Bill of Rights only applied to the federal government.

As a matter of fact when Madison was drafting the original constitution, he inserted a clause which would have applied some of the U.S. Constitution's BOR to the states. Is was rejected.

It wasn't until the 14th amendment that some of the BOR became applicable to the states. Since the early 60's, almost every clause in the Bill of Rights has been made applicable to the states with the exception of the 2nd and 3rd Amendments, the grand jury indictment clause of the 5th Amendment, and the 7th Amendment.

Read this and educate yourself on your constitution.

"Again, -- you claim/advocate that as long as we get due process in a fair trial, rights can be "controlled by the state". Ludicrous"

WHAT? If you are found guilty of murder in a court of law the state may take your life. Or your liberty. WTF are you babbling about that "the State has no delegated power to so "control" our life, liberty, or property." They sure do.

I'm expecting a more intelligent post from you the next time around. If you choose to remain ignorant on the basics, I don't have any more time to educate you.

177 posted on 02/16/2005 7:14:24 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
There you go again, claiming/advocating that States can ignore the US Constitutions BOR's. - How daft.

Daft? Oh my. That's the way the U.S. Constitution was written and ratified. The Bill of Rights only applied to the federal government.

Yep, that's one of the daffy little mantras you run about here chanting. -- Without any constitutional basis.

As a matter of fact when Madison was drafting the original constitution, he inserted a clause which would have applied some of the U.S. Constitution's BOR to the states. Is was rejected.

It was not needed, as Art VI makes it clear that ALL of the Constitution is the supreme Law of the Land.

It wasn't until the 14th amendment that some of the BOR became applicable to the states. Since the early 60's, almost every clause in the Bill of Rights has been made applicable to the states with the exception of the 2nd and 3rd Amendments, the grand jury indictment clause of the 5th Amendment, and the 7th Amendment. Read this and educate yourself on your constitution.

So you chant, intent on denying your own BOR's.. Daffy.


Again, -- you claim/advocate that as long as we get due process in a fair trial, rights can be "controlled by the state". -- Ludicrous. -- Due process of the law" is being ignored in the writing of these 'laws' that prohibit socalled 'evil property'. The State has no delegated power to so "control" our life, liberty, or property. Your advocacy of prohibitions on guns, drugs, etc; -- infringe on those rights. -- And you cannot deny it.

WHAT? If you are found guilty of murder in a court of law the state may take your life. Or your liberty.

Part of due process is a fair trial, -- and part is using constitutional due process in the writing of law.

WTF are you babbling about that "the State has no delegated power to so "control" our life, liberty, or property." They sure do.

Only under constitutional bounds. States have no power to "control" by fiat prohibitions. -- They can only 'reasonably regulate'.

I'm expecting a more intelligent post from you the next time around. If you choose to remain ignorant on the basics, I don't have any more time to educate you.

You are dreaming if you think you're 'educating' anyone here paulsen. Your rants are amusing, and you serve as a good foil, but other than that, get real.

178 posted on 02/16/2005 7:48:18 AM PST by P_A_I
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