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The irony of women's 'freed' sexuality
World Net Daily ^ | 12 February 2005 | Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D.

Posted on 02/12/2005 7:41:39 PM PST by Lorianne

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1 posted on 02/12/2005 7:41:40 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The part about unemployed German women being offered work in brothels is false, despite being published in Daily Telegraph (UK) and a few other major newspapers. Here is the rebuttal:
http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp


2 posted on 02/12/2005 7:46:15 PM PST by AdrianR
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To: Lorianne
With unemployment in Germany now at 11.4 percent,

Off topic but this,along with the 10% unemployment in France,yet the libs think that we need to be listening to them on any issue.

Even more glaring when comparing population numbers along with the effects of 9/11.

3 posted on 02/12/2005 7:52:45 PM PST by carlr
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To: Lorianne
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHNNNNGGHGHGHGH.

Story ain't true. Try again.

4 posted on 02/12/2005 7:53:39 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: AdrianR

If found the Snopes rebuttal to be largely unconvincing. There is no support for the implicit assumption that the Telegraph, etc. used other German newspapers as their sources - in fact, by citing names of women affected that the Telegraph did not, there's evidence that they did their own independent research into the matter. When faced with two contrary newspaper accounts, Snopes resolves the issue by arbitrarily picking the version of the German newspapers, and the last one cited (the biggest "gotcha") doesn't even provide a link to any source.

We don't even know the -date- of that last German newspaper article, and the date here is a big deal. Why? Because according to the Telegraph, prior to the passing of the legislation, there was indeed a plan to put in a morality exemption specifically to avoid the issue, but then they did away with it on the premise that it'd be too difficult to legally differentiate a bar from a brothel or something to that effect. Articles written about the matter prior to that exception being removed could very well legitimately claim that an exception exists, not knowing that the exception would be removed later on.

Snopes went too far as to claim the status of the story as "False". "Disputed" is about as far as they have a right to take it.

Qwinn


5 posted on 02/12/2005 7:58:41 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Lorianne

The author never said that women were being forced to be prostitutes. She said "it was the next step."
And the author is dead right on every issue. Great article.


6 posted on 02/12/2005 7:59:17 PM PST by mowkeka
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To: AdrianR

ACK! Mistake in my response.

When I said: "in fact, by citing names of women affected that the Telegraph did not, there's evidence that they did their own independent research into the matter."

I should have said:

"in fact, by citing names of women affected that the [German Newspapers] did not, there's evidence that they [the Telegraph] did their own independent research into the matter."

Qwinn


7 posted on 02/12/2005 8:02:33 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Lorianne
That prostitution got legalized in Germany in 2002 is outright false.
This legalization goes back ages.
Prostitutes are now organized, can have and can be represented by unions and are called sex workers.
Yes, they also pay taxes.
There was one case in Berlin where a waitress was out of a job and got advised to go fill one of these open and at the employment office registered bordello jobs.
When refusing, she was advised of the possibility to lose her unemployment benefits.
No further news as of the outcome, except some politicians talking about changing the new law that requires acceptance of all open jobs. Europeans also claim to have a lower sex crime rate than the U.S.A.
8 posted on 02/12/2005 8:05:03 PM PST by hermgem
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To: Lorianne
But such "freedom" would be largely unnecessary if women knew how badly they were being used.

Gee, what an uplifting article. It's all men's fault, and women are too stupid to manage their own lives. It's just the same old Victim Feminism again, just buttoned up to the neck.


9 posted on 02/12/2005 8:09:29 PM PST by Nick Danger (The only way out is through)
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To: Lorianne
Why let her and her protégée brainwash our young women into the ways of sexual promiscuity? It is a dead end that subjects women to the control of men's sexual lusts and nothing more. As long as we allow this brainwashing to continue, women exercise no more control over their bodies in America today than women 100 years ago or women forced to work (hypothetically, for now) in a German brothel to keep their employment benefits.

It is called freedom on speech, which is what allows this author to publish her opinion as well.

As American women now have about 1.7 children over their lifespan instead of 6 or 8, it is hard to dispute that women now have more control over their bodies than they used to. One can debate whether this is good or bad, I suppose, but I think that few will wish to go back to the large families that were common 50 years ago.

10 posted on 02/12/2005 8:12:44 PM PST by marktwain
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To: carlr
One possible ultimatum for women who find themselves out of work could be "take off your clothes and get in bed with these paying customers or lose your unemployment benefits."

My German pal who thinks Americans are savages and only Eurotwits understand how to live reports that her buddy in Berlin, age 50, is starting his third year on unemployment, traveling all over the world on trips his benefit payments cover, living the high life, and in no danger of ever being required to go back to work.

Now comes the rising unemployment level in Germany and the slumping economy. I guess we'll be seeing thousands of unemployed Germans vacationing at the Laguna Beach Ritz Hotel. Until their bubble bursts.

No point discussing with any German the possibility that their country's economic ruin is fueled by the "Versaille-like" (an Ann Coulter word) pensions and benefits all German workers receive from the government. And btw, her friend worked as a waiter, he's healthy, strong, good-looking, personable and gay. He could go back to work anywhere at any time. But he claims not to be able to find work and the German authorities buy it. Hah!

11 posted on 02/12/2005 8:16:20 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: mowkeka
So if a boss wants to have sex with his secretary, he fires her then looks her up when she takes a job in the brothel.

Probably cheaper for him in the long run, and should cut down on the sexual harassment lawsuits.

What we call a two-fer.

12 posted on 02/12/2005 8:20:33 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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So if a boss wants to have sex with his secretary, he fires her then looks her up when she takes a job in the brothel.

But... Do you realize how hard it is to get and keep a *Good* secretary!?!

13 posted on 02/12/2005 8:26:55 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Lorianne

I'm tired of seeing that so-called statistic. No man has ever had an abortion.


14 posted on 02/12/2005 8:49:38 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Lorianne
The corollary is that we had more control over our bodies when it was more socially acceptable to say "no" to sex before marriage.

How so? Don't most women who engage in non-marital sex today consent to the act?.

15 posted on 02/12/2005 9:16:07 PM PST by secretagent
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To: robertpaulsen

It's no fun if she's not your secretary anymore.


16 posted on 02/12/2005 10:39:53 PM PST by The Fop
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To: secretagent
"Don't most women who engage in non-marital sex today consent to the act?"

I would imagine that women today consent to sex the same way you consent to violence and nudity on TV and in the theater. Or pornography on the newsstands. Or gambling in your state, be it the state lottery or "riverboat" casinos. Or strip clubs and adult bookstores. Or profanity at sporting events.

You go with the flow.

The author's point is that, at one time, we as a society had moral standards and wouldn't tolerate 1% of the above. Made it easier for women to say no.

17 posted on 02/13/2005 6:22:40 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Lorianne

Its a bummer.


18 posted on 02/13/2005 6:24:42 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: robertpaulsen
I would imagine that women today consent to sex the same way you consent to violence and nudity on TV and in the theater. Or pornography on the newsstands. Or gambling in your state, be it the state lottery or "riverboat" casinos. Or strip clubs and adult bookstores. Or profanity at sporting events.

You go with the flow.

The author's point is that, at one time, we as a society had moral standards and wouldn't tolerate 1% of the above. Made it easier for women to say no.

I assume you made the above comments referring to yourself, since you don't know me.

When you consent to violence and pornography, do you mean that you "go with the flow" and watch violent TV and pornography, even though you don't like it?

19 posted on 02/13/2005 8:26:59 AM PST by secretagent
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To: AdrianR
It is not false in that it cannot happen. It is simply false in that it has not happened yet. The government bureacracy, for the time being, has decided not to require women to take jobs as prostitutes. The possibility still exists because prostitution is legal and legal businesses have to recruit new workers on whom they pay unemployment taxes.
20 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:09 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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