[StJacques]

". . . Let's finally get down to the nitty-grit of mathematics (including information theory) and physics in biological systems - complex systems theory, quantization of continuums, autonomy, semiosis and the whole nine yards. Let's finally get a consensus of what is life v non-life/death. . . ."

Mathematics, Systems Theory, Quantum Mechanics, and much of the rest should take a back seat to Biology, Geology, Genetics, and Physics. The evidence of observed phenomena is what matters most.

[Alamo-Girl]

Mathematics, Systems Theory, Quantum Mechanics, and much of the rest should take a back seat to Biology, Geology, Genetics, and Physics. The evidence of observed phenomena is what matters most.

Since this is the way you weigh the disciplines, then there is no point in my pursuing such a debate with you.

A serious debate to battle-out the issues of intelligent design v evolution would have to begin with ontology so that all the correspondents would be on the same page of "reality".

Further, if I were to rank the disciplines you name - with regard to any investigation - Mathematics would be first because it is the most sure.

And because physical laws are preeminent, for me, the contributions of Physics would have to come next.

Too bad, though, it could have been productive.