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To: furball4paws; Joe Bonforte
Found it:

Consider a famous example. Several million people live in Manhattan. Almost everyone there is well fed. How does that happen? Who designed the system that feeds Manhattan?

The answer is nobody. Individuals do various small tasks (for money) that in aggregate produce an astounding result - New York gets fed, day after day. Nobody understands how it happens - no single person or even small group of people understands where the food comes from, or how it is transported, or how it is distributed. Yet New York gets fed.

The complex "system" that feeds New York was never designed - it evolved over time, and continues to evolve as conditions change. Despite its enormous complexity, no one ever sat down and said "Let's figure out how to feed New York". And no one is monitoring the entire system today to figure out exactly what changes need to be made.

It's true that the individuals involved are intelligent, but their intelligence is only applied to the limited part that they play in the overall system. The system is self-organizing. Those people in the system have signals (the free-market) that tell them whether the small part they are doing is appropriate or not. The combination of individuals doing their small, simple parts and a signaling system that tells them if those parts are good yields a system as complex as any organism, with no one designing it.

I have to ask - do creationists feel compelled to discuss things they don't understand? Wouldn't you feel better if you did a little research on something like self-organizing systems before you showed that you didn't know what you were talking about? I'm just asking...

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336776/posts?page=405#405

by "Joe Bonforte"

202 posted on 02/13/2005 5:42:05 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow

Thank you. That is very enlightening.


206 posted on 02/13/2005 5:57:18 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: longshadow; Joe Bonforte

That was one marvelous post, and was well worth repeating.


246 posted on 02/13/2005 8:44:00 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: longshadow
...but their intelligence is only applied to the limited part that they play in the overall system. The system is self-organizing.

This is one of the things that creationists and IDers simply cannot see. "Matter" takes on entirely new characteristics at higher levels of organisation, and must be analyzed at these higher levels.

Evolutionists are accused of reductionism, but it is the creationists that incompetenty attempt to reduce biology to physics. The laws of physics are not broken by living things, but the laws of physics are not adequate or appropriate for the analysis of evolution.

256 posted on 02/13/2005 9:20:43 PM PST by js1138
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