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Posted on 02/12/2005 1:52:25 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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It's always those stupid Americans effing things up, ain't it? HA!
The REAL question is whether those stupid, backward, muslim, schizophrenic, Iranian lunatics will embrace democracy. I say no. Not a chance.
I am sorry, but I am getting a little sick of these "students" going on and on about regime change in Iran and how WE have to help... It's their country, and if the regime change rhetoric is as popular amongst its people as they are trying to get us to believe, just what exactly are they waiting for?
Why does this analysis not deal with this subject? If and only if there are going to be a new Iranian election soon, and there is any reason to believe that the same electoral fraud will not occur again. This is critical. Why isn't it mentioned?
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They are waiting for some to stop nagging and start backing them up.
In a general way this article is true. We need regime change in Iran, and we'd prefer that it be done from within.
But.
In the first place, nuclear arms are NOT inevitable. We must insist that they dismantle their nuclear capability, or do it for them. A Democratic Iran would be safer than the present government, but the region is too unstable to be trusted with nuclear weapons.
In the second place, there will have to be a revolution, not just an election. One way or another, prefereably bloodlessly or with a minimum of bloodshed, the students will have to overthrow the Mullahs. The Mullahs will never give up their power unless they are forced to.
This may require a selective Israeli and/or American strike.
Agreed!
"In the last national elections in Iran, the mullahs canceled the candidacies of those candidates for the national legislature that they disapproved of."
They always do.
"the "reformers" were unable to succeed in the elections..."
Didn't matter. No one wanted them.
There's an election for President coming in May (I think) Won't matter. Majority of people will do as last election: Stay home. They don't want the "reformers" any more than the hardliners. A mullah's a mullah. They ALL have to GO.
One can argue how beneficial it is that people who have no freedom in their own nations, and unwilling or unable to fight for it - flee to the USA.
Once here, (in the USA), they urge the USA to spend its blood and treasure (the US military)to accomplish what they could not.
Whenever we have made supreme sacrifices in our efforts to help nations acquire freedom from despots, the USA has always been villified as imperialists. (Haiti, Grenada, Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, North Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Lebanon)
Let us remember that Iranians drove the Shah into exile and death, begged for the return of Ayatollah Khoumani from France (surprise) and were complacent in the installation of the Mullahs. Whose responsibility is it to change Iran's regime?
Duh!
Please don't call President Bush's Iran policy schizophrenic.
Minority of Iranians did!
Bump!
USA USING 'DRONE' AIRCRAFT TO SPY ON IRAN
Sat Feb 12 2005 20:00:05 ET
The Bush administration has been flying surveillance drones over Iran to seek evidence of nuclear weapons programs and detect weaknesses in air defenses, the WASHINGTON POST is planning to splash on Sunday.
Newsroom sources tell DRUDGE: The small, pilotless planes, penetrating Iranian airspace from U.S. military facilities in Iraq, use radar, video, still photography and air filters designed to pick up traces of nuclear activity to gather information that is not accessible to satellites, the officials said.
The aerial espionage is standard in military preparations for an eventual air attack and is also employed as a tool for intimidation.
"The Iranian government, using Swiss channels in the absence of diplomatic relations with Washington, formally protested the illegal incursions, according to Iranian, European and U.S. officials."
I think a few months ago I read that the Americans were sending F-16's and the like briefly into Iranian airspace to test their defenses. Now pilotless planes. Perhaps they'll use the drones as bait - to see where the anti-aircraft guns and missle launchers are?
I wouldn't be surprised if they are gathering intelligence that can show the Iranians up as liars once and for all at the UN Security Council. We'll have solid proof this time. Though it's always best to have assets on the ground - which is also the hardest to do.
Making progress every day now, it seems...
Satellite photos and drone footage won't do this time... remember Powell's speech at the UN in 2002?
Also, this reliance on "regime change" seems to me to be a blind, just as the Soviets fooled the West so well back with The Trust and the machinations of the Skoblins.
We do not have to wait on the Iranian people to rise up, and while we certainly would not mind aiding any real opposition, determining who is real and who is a tool of Iranian counter-intelligence is a matter that takes time that we just don't have.
The clock has ran out on this; if we wait much longer, Iran will have a fait accompli. I believe that President Bush will take the necessary action soon; if there is real Iranian resistance, then I hope that they show their bona fides soon.
All of this insistence on receiving U.S. cash and simultaneously pushing us away from military action makes me wary of the motives of those who urge us to wait, and wait some more.
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What steps did the MAJORITY of Iranians take to stop the MINORITY from ruining the Nation?
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