H.R. 776

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[Peelod]

H.R.776 Title: To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception. Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 2/10/2005 )       Cosponsors (2) Latest Major Action: 2/10/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

[newsgatherer]

Thank you, bump or tomorrows paper

[NYer]

RIGHT TO LIFE
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person -- among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
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[greghop]

I can't quite agree with Republicans on abortion

sure I agree it should be limited

but why stop at defining "life" begins at conception ? that's just sperm & egg saying "hey let's get together"

do y'all really believe that a 1 celled organism deserves as much protection as say, an 18 year old whose decided to carry a rifle to defend this country ?

what a crock

and why stop at when the egg/sperm get together ?

why not take it further, like when 2 people agree to have a child ?? by golly, if man/woman have verbally agreed to have a child, isn't that verbal agreement a "life" ?

where does this stop ??

[NYer]

Pro-life ping!

[rocksblues]

So to you a life is only valid if a man and woman agree to not kill the one celled animal?

[Peelod]

where does this stop ??

Better to ask "Where does this start?"

With a diploid # of chromosomes, i.e., a full, human, unique genetic signature.

[pieces of time]

Says it all right there.

[bourbon]

why not take it further, like when 2 people agree to have a child ?? by golly, if man/woman have verbally agreed to have a child, isn't that verbal agreement a "life" ?

Uh....b/c no one (except possibly you) has ever been silly enough to suggest that a verbal agreement between two people is in fact a living organism.

LOL...y'know even the wackiest libs know that the "living constitution" is just a metaphor.

[greghop]

heh

no doubt this is a major slippery slope topic

my point is that this pro-life at all costs in all situations for all people doesn't seem to be realistic, effective, whatever you want to call it

what about rape, birth defects, divorce, etc ??

why burden the planet with another life destined for inevitable misery ?

sure it's possible for overwhelming odds to be surmounted

and farrrrrrrrrrrrr be it for me to decide who lives & dies

as science advances my guess is it will become possible to predict future diseases much better using DNA stuff

so yes here comes the EUGENICS topic

another guess of mine is eventually however long that will be who knows science will overcome peoples ethical dislikes to slowly improve everybody's health by weeding out the all too many yucky diseases

what a mess

and really, do y'all think that if EVERYONE had a choice would they

1. let God control their births
2. pick a healthy good looking smart baby
3. pick a diseased ugly dumb baby

[rocksblues]

How about this scenario?

Indeed, it was probably unknown since little is still known about variation in genetics as opposed to abnormal genetics. My sister was told her fetus showed abnormal genes and would likely be abnormal. She went ahead and had the child and he did have a genetic flaw which happened to be the same one I possess and others in my family tree have possessed. A third nipple, also known as a witch's tit or the devil's mark, only a few hundred years ago would have been an accepted reason for infanticide, even after birth. It seems that the ages have darkened again. That saddens me to no end. For, from personal experience I know how much one person can make a difference in the world and to the world.

Heh?

[3rd Order]

why burden the planet with another life destined for inevitable misery ?

I hear half the world lives in pretty poor conditions, maybe we should put them out of their misery too.

[greghop]

hey so do I

I was also born with birth defects

some weirdo bone joint disease that causes toes/ankles & fingers to curl in, so I had to wear braces & if it had been worse (back in 1960 that is) I probably would have been put up for adoption

then let's move to the skin diseases I was born with

notice the trend here ?

my saving grace in addition to being born in the U-S-A with fairly helpful parents is that I'm also fairly bright, fairly lucky (let's not try to explain that one) and somehow managed to get into computer field

but if I had been born 50 years earlier my life would have sucked even more

have I benefited the planet ?

I like to think so.........

but what about my other family members ? one of which is severly mentally ill & has caused several tons of chaos & destruction in her spins around the sun

so yes IMHO several things reallllllllly should be eliminated from the gene pool

how that will be done who knows ?

how long will it take who knows ?

let's read some science fiction to find out !!!!!!!!

[AdamSelene235]

why burden the planet with another life destined for inevitable misery ?

Are you a Calvinist or something?

[rocksblues]

How would you identify a person/fetus that has a propensity to cause destruction and spin around the Sun.?

[Raquel]

Hello there,

Life begins at conception, it's really that simple. At the point of conception, the necessary 46 chromosomes (less one - the sperm & ovum) are matched and developed, thus producing one human zygote. Yes, it's human! All it needs now is time to grow and nourishment to live. We were all once a human zygote. Genetically, the mother and child are separate individuals. The embryo develops a placenta and a protective covering of fluid. Why should we as a Nation allow a mother to forcibly remove that embryo from its natural home? Since the embryo is alive and human it should be protected by law, even if it is from its own mother and father. Those poor little babies, they have no voice. Please have mercy on them. In addition, 32 years after Roe v. Wade experts are proving that abortion harms women physically, mentally and spiritually. Abortion is now linked to breast cancer (doubles risk), low birth weight for subsequent children (doubles risk), depression, suicide and drug use. It's quite simple, abortion is wrong, immoral and it hurts women. It's a nasty stain on what otherwise is a beautiful, freedom-loving country.

[Coleus]

thanks. I'll check it out once it's posted.

The text of H.R.776 has not yet been received from GPO.
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[CouncilofTrent]

"so yes IMHO several things reallllllllly should be eliminated from the gene pool"


Okay, so you are suggesting we kill or "get rid of" all those "undesirables" before birth? For thats the only way to do it now. Sounds like crap.

[CouncilofTrent]

uh oh. Dont say that, or the Huegenots will come over here and bash :)