Ex-CIA Man Uncovers Jewish Conspiracy!

Michael Scheuer was one of the top CIA officials who worked to keep Islamist terrorist websites online at American ISPs ostensibly so the sites could be 'monitored' (he wrote about this in his book, "Imperial Hubris"). However, there has been very little monitoring of the hundreds of terror sites.

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Have you read Scheuer's book?

No wonder the CIA hasn't produced a reliable piece of intel since the early '70s. If this nutcase is typical, the whole agency is rotten to the core as well as incompetent.

Besides, anyone who believes a "Jewish Conspiracy" is even possible just doesn't get that 1,000-year-old joke that says if you put a dozen Jews in a room you come out with 13 different opinions.

"" 1,000-year-old joke that says if you put a dozen Jews in a room you come out with 13 different opinions.""

Wait, I don't get it. I really really don't.

Do you think the CIA uses "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" in their newbee training classes? Buy that man a tin foil hat.

Have you read Scheuer's book?

Yes, I have. He makes many good points (mixed in with sheer blithering nonsense). I've scanned and OCR'd the sections dealing with the terrorist use of the internet (my interest) and am thinking of posting excerpts from the book as "Imperial Hubris: How the CIA Has Been Helping Al-Qaeda Win the War of Terror"

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So let's see if we have this straight: The Council on Foreign Relations gives a public forum, hosted by a dean from an Ivy League university, to a guy who expounds crackpot theories about "clandestine" Jewish efforts to control America--including the Holocaust Museum!--and the "debate" is "unbearably restricted"?

And let's remember that Scheuer isn't just any old nutcase. He is, as Lemann said in his introduction, "the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit." The quality of intelligence over at Langley would appear to have been even lower than anyone suspected.

Maybe the theory was authored by cynicom..

Wait, I don't get it. I really really don't.

Obviously, at least one of the Jews must have had two opinions -- but by the time you explain a joke, it's no longer a joke.

Anywho, here's more related discussions. Michael Scheuer was also the one accusing the CIA of 'torture' in the New Yorker Magazine:

CIA renditions of terror suspects 'out of control:' report-Boiling prisoner suspects' body parts
Yahoo News, Agency France Presse- Later The New Yorker. ^ | FEB 6 2005 | AFP

Why So Glum at the CIA?
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 1/19/05 | Alan Nathan

Investigator: Senior CIA Leaders to Blame for 9/11 Lapses
Newsmax ^ | 1/7/05

Scheuer is all over the place, and has some brutal ideas.

To the simplistic dichotomy it's what we are vs. it's what we do he claims it's merely "it's what we do". This is appealing to lefties hoping to have their "root cause" prejudices affirmed but the book itself shows that some of "what we do" is unappealing to no domestic faction. Then, even more confusingly, the shows jihadism is a lot about "what we are" - for example his mentions that Osama wants us to convert to Islam.

The anti-Israel angle might be his attempt to increase book sales to the anti-semitic left, but here in the link above it seems heartfelt. And his book describes the worldwide ambitions of Osama and Jihadism, yet without criticism doesn't discuss why accusations that we help Russia and India in Chechnya and Kashmir are wrong.

Even his title is confusing. "Imperial Hubris" seems to evoke the idea of a reaction to American Empire, yet he uses it to criticize Americans who can only think Osama must be only reacting to us because we think, e.g., we're the center of the world.

He's all over the place and he's loopy. Plus many of his so-called revelations are merely taken from Osama's communiques and videos to which he gives no credit.

Wow . . . and I thought that the CFR was part of the International Jewish Conspiracy! But here they are promoting anti-Israel conspiracy theories! Who'd-a-thunk it? I guess this means the CFR is now a beleagered ally in the "patriot" movement that all good anti-ZOGgers must defend . . . sort of like the United Nations!

The only "wagger" in this situation and in all others is HaShem, Yitbarakh Shemo, the Absolute Master of the Universe, Who created the world for the sake of Israel and the Torah. I'd say that sort of makes Israel important . . . wouldn't you?

The only absolutely forbidden subject in American public discourse is G-d's Will in and control of history. No one, including the rightwing anti-Semites, wants to bring that up! I hope Jewish liberals are pround of that.

Shout it from the housetops: HaShem, Hu' Ha'Eloqim!

Transcript

Winning or Losing? An Inside Look at the War on Terror

Speaker: Michael Scheuer, a.k.a. Anonymous, author, " Imperial Hubris"

Presider: Nicholas Lemann, dean, Hubert R. Luce professor of journalism, Columbia University

Council on Foreign Relations
New York, N.Y.
February 3, 2005

NICHOLAS LEMANN: So, welcome everyone. My name is Nick Lemann. I'm the dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University, and I'm here to ask questions to, and sort of field questions from you to Michael Scheuer, who you all know. I will just read his bio for the sake of formality, but here's the book, "Imperial Hubris," which I am sure many of you read. And let me just read this quickly. [The] New York Times and [The] Washington Post bestseller, "Imperial Hubris" was originally published anonymously, as required by the counterintelligence. Its author is Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit, who resigned in November 2004 after nearly two decades of experience in national security issues related to Afghanistan and South Asia. As Anonymous, he is also the author of "Through Our Enemies' Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America." Scheuer has been featured on many national and international television news programs, interviewed for broadcast media and documentary, and has been the focus of print media worldwide, and now the ultimately appearing at the Council on Foreign Relations. [Laughter]

((...excerpted...))

QUESTIONER: I am Richard Whalen. I'm a writer, and I'm working on a book that's looking at the preliminaries to World War II, when we last had a debate about whether we should go to war before we were thrust into war. I want to congratulate you on reintroducing some of the fundamental issues and questions that have to be addressed before you go to war in a democratic society. And you have particularly focused on the forbidden subject of whether the United States has any limits with the spoiled child of Western civilization, the state of Israel, which insists upon having its own way, to the extent we must read the Israeli press on the Internet and read [the Israeli newspaper] Haaretz so that we see real criticism of a policy that has gone too far. Now, you have taken some criticism for your approach. I'd like to hear what you feel about this subject.

SCHEUER: I always have thought that there's nothing too dangerous to talk about in America, that there shouldn't be anything. And it happens that Israel is the one thing that seems to be too dangerous to talk about. And I wrote in my book that I congratulate them. It's probably the most successful covert action program in the history of man to control--the important political debate in a country of 270 million people is an extraordinary accomplishment. I wish our clandestine service could do as well. The point I would make--the point I try to make basically in the book is we just cannot--we can no longer afford to be seen as the dog that's led by the tail. I've tried to be very clear in saying we have an alliance with the Israelis. We have a moral obligation to try to work through this issue, if we can. But I don't think we can afford to be led around, or at least appear to be led around by them. And I certainly, as an American, find it unbearable to think there's something in this country you can't talk about. That's really my spiel I guess on that, sir.

LEMANN: Gary?

SCHEUER: It was interesting to see the sheet suggested ways to review "Imperial Hubris" that came out from AIPAC [the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee]. [Laughter]

QUESTIONER: I'm curious--Gary Rosen from Commentary magazine. If you could just elaborate a little bit on the clandestine ways in which Israel and presumably Jews have managed to so control debate over this fundamental foreign policy question.

UNKNOWN: All you have to do is look at this landscape of American politics and see how many people who have raised this issue of the Israeli relationship.

SCHEUER: Well, the clandestine aspect is that, clearly, the ability to influence the Congress--that's a clandestine activity, a covert activity. You know to some extent, the idea that the Holocaust Museum here in our country is another great ability to somehow make people feel guilty about being the people who did the most to try to end the Holocaust. I find--I just find the whole debate in the United States unbearably restricted with the inability to factually discuss what goes on between our two countries.

((...excerpted...))

http://www.cfr.org/pub7771/nicholas_lemann_michael_scheuer/winning_or_losing_an_inside_look_at_the_war_on_terror.php

This is in line with the BS that pervades our universities.If you read the papers from our experts like Joesph Massad & Said one might get wacky notions. Daniel Pipes and a couple of others paint a different picture.

OK, this is important, comic challenged freepers, so we'll try again;

"Why are there no Jewish Alcoholics?"

"'cause it interferes with there suffering"

My Jewish pal whom I love dearly told me that, it's his favorite.

He says underdeveloped sense of humor is a epic problem in the uncivilized world.

I agree.

Thanks for the links, I read all the articles.

So basically the CIA has failed us.

Sections?

Pray tell - just how many sections did you find?

Ain't it the truth! Either that or the man needs to stop smoking the cheap stuff!

That's Baptists, not Jews.

There were no Baptists 1000 years ago.

I think he was handicapped by having to flesh out the book with material he found in public to buttress ideas based upon non-public information.

At least that's the only explanation I could come up for as to why he'd be casting his net so wide and far for source material.

At any rate, while I don't agree with all of his positions, specifically his pessimism as to our chances in Afghanistan, I can't find fault with the majority of the book - and the issue being raised on this thread is whether blind American support for Israel is in America's interest: Scheuer's position is that it's not, and I agree with him.

We're not going to cut Israel loose - Israel's existence is in the American interest.

But looking on passively as Israel expanded settlements into the West Bank and Gaza strip was more harmful to American interests than helpful.