Posted on 02/11/2005 10:56:20 AM PST by lizol
And you think Poles were the only ones who helped the Germans? Wasn't it a Dutchman that betrayed Anne Frank? But I don't hear anyone talking about how all the Dutch cooperated with the Nazis in sending Jews to the gas chambers, although certainly some did. And keep in mind, Poland was the ONLY occupied country where aiding Jews was automatically punishable by death. The family that hid Anne Frank and her family were not punished by the Nazis.
Where did I say the "Poles were the only ones who helped the Germans?"
Please don't put words in my mouth and don't assume you know how I feel about the Dutch or anyone else.
But since you didn't ask I will tell you anyway. Many Dutch were very complicitous. Further the Dutch rolled over for the Germans in four days and had a higher death rate for Jews than Poland. The tolerant Dutch tolerated it all just as they now tolerate Muslim intolerance.
Intestingly, Dutch people I have posted with, cite Anne Frank as the example of the righteous Dutch response.
Everyone is looking for exculpation. The time for accepting responsibility is over. Everyone is shrugging off the crimes of that era. Is it happenstance that at the same time Europe is experiencing its largest new surge of anti-Semitism since the war and its immediate aftermath? I think not.
Their deaths must not be forgotten.
I did not say the things you are attributing to me. (See my post to dfwgator).
I simply do not believe it is fair to blame Jewish victims for the death of Jews at the hands of the Nazis. That was the gist of dfwgator's post on Kapos.
Turnabout is not always fair play. Here it is shameful.
I am sorry for the loss of innocent Polish lives, indeed all lives, at the hands of the Soviets and Nazis. By the way I am of the opinion that Stalin's larger genocide gave Hitler the green light for his smaller one. Just so Africa today.
"Poland - Number of persons honored 5,800 - The only country with an automatic death penalty for giving aid to Jews." www.yadvashem.org
Think before you post another stupid lie.
I just wish this would go away and leave it at the fact that like any nation under Nazi occupation, Poland had some bad characters, but they were more than outweighed by the good. The bad should never be swept under the rug, and post-Communist Poland has gone out of her way to acknowledge the rotten acts of a few, moreso than other countries, such as France. Why can't others just leave it at that?
He was following in Lenin's footsteps.
Order from Lenin to communists in Penza, August 11, 1918
Comrades! The revolt by the five kulak volost's must be suppressed without mercy. The interest of the entire revolution demands this, because we have now before us our final decisive battle "with the kulaks." We need to set an example.
1) You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers.This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let's choke and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.
2) Publish their names.
3) Take away all of their grain.
4) Execute the hostages - in accordance with yesterday's telegram.
Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.
Yours, Lenin
P.S. Use your toughest people for this.
Thanks for that info.. all I'd ever heard was that Stalin did it after a time in power. At least their Marxism misery tour is largely ended.
There are some in Russia asking for an encore.
Yes, we (Poles) were definatelly "free" during the occupation...Let me remind you that our underground state was court martialing in absentia those f... who helped Nazis and young men and women, my grandpa for example were sent to execute - assasinate the most active collaborators.
As for who's "stupid" ... well, personal insult is the last refuge of he who has no argument.
I addressed this remark by dfwgator which attempted to blame the Jews for their own annihilation and equate those who were not incarcerated and turned in Jews with those who were already in camps. Here is the quote:
Plenty of Jewish Kapos cooperated with the Nazis in helping to ship fellow Jews to their deaths. It was an ugly time all around.
Be warned. I don’t like moral equivalency on the right, left or middle. (ie: Let's examine what the US did to provoke Bin Ladenists to commit 9/11). I will address it wherever I find it. I also don’t like the ultra modern historical revisionism which attempts to act as if no one was responsible for the murder of six million Jews, 2/3 of the European Jewish population. Europe, which includes Poland, had a pervasive climate of anti-Semitism which included its enshrinement in laws. Deal with it and stop pretending it was not so. The facts say otherwise. That is not to say there were not individual heroes all over. Such heroes in fact give the lie to the claim – what could we have done?
I am not responsible for Lizol”s erroneous “impression” of my words, and I’m not impressed that those under “occupation” are equally unfree with those in concentration camps. Your argument is ridiculous just as are claims that the Jews are guilty of the extermination of Jews.
I am sorry to mar your thread, but I only posted after the comment blaming the Jews for their own deaths. This in fact is the ultimate conclusion once the revisionist exoneration of non-Jewish Europe is complete. Who else is left? The Jews, of course. Full circle.
A long column of Jews marches through the streets of Pabianice during a deportation action.
German soldiers round-up a group of Jewish men on a street in Czestochowa.
German soldiers round-up a group of Jewish men on Strazacka Street in Czestochowa.
German police round-up Jews for deportation from the Zawiercie ghetto.
German police and SS oversee the deportation of Jews from the Zawiercie ghetto.
German police round-up Jews and load them onto trucks in the Ciechanow ghetto.
A German soldier guards a group of Poles and Jews who have been rounded-up and forced to stand in a line with their arms raised.
A Polish policeman supervises a deportation action in the Krakow ghetto.
Jewish police direct people to the assembly area in the Kovno ghetto during a deportation action to Estonia.
German soldiers and Jewish police supervise a deportation action in the Warsaw ghetto.
German soldiers and Jewish police supervise a deportation action at the Umschlagplatz in the Warsaw ghetto.
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