Dear child, I said it was not an electronic ID.
Posted on 02/10/2005 8:53:28 PM PST by tbird5
Look toots, if you want to poo-pooh this, it's up to you.
To poo-pooh this is sheer idiocy.
Do some homework on our surveillance society and then come back and tell me not to worry about it.
I already explained how. Not in the mood for endless argument that goes round and round without the other person acknowledging the points made today, have a good one.
Can you say where this took place? Was this on a public thoroughfare?
What law did they cite as authorization for asking for "your papers please?"
Ok, here's my issue, whack away. I know several illegals here in northern VA. They don't need a license, mostly by getting rides, but they sometimes drive without one. They work for cash and can get $100 / day for unskilled labor. They have no need to ever bother getting a national ID. The rest of us will have to put up with (for example) linkage of gun purchases here in VA to a national ID where an instant check links only to a criminal database.
IT'S a CONSPIRACY. THe GOVERNMENT WANTS TO MONITOR OUR ACTIONS AND STICK PROBES IN US! MY GOD, WE NEVER HAD IDENTIFICATION CARDS BEFORE NOT COUNTING OUR DRIVERS LICENSES, BIRTH CERTIFICATES, TAX FORM INFORMATION, credit cards, bank accounts and vehicles with built in tracking devices.
THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS COMMING! You should go and hide.
Republican politicians argued that the new rules were necessary to thwart terrorists, saying that four of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers possessed valid state-issued driver's licenses.
Could someone explain the logic here? If the terrorists were able to obtain valid IDs then what's stopping them from obtaining valid electronic IDs. The 9-11 hijackers opened bank accounts in their own names, using valid passports and visas issued by the US State Department.
ID cards can't identify terrorists! Terrorist don't have indentifying marks. Until they actual blow up the neighborhood pizza parlor or pilot jetliners into tall buildings -- they're just innocent Muslims wanting to learn how to fly jets (but not how to take off or land).
Why does anyone think these ID cards are intended to identify terrorists? Does forbidding a criminal to own a gun reduce the number of criminals with guns?
You made no other points and refused to acknowledge mine, friend. You did NOT explain how anyone would be kept from getting a legitimate national ID/State driver's license with phony documents. I don't doubt you are in no mood to defend a point you haven't even made.
I don't know, I think a national ID will be a bit tougher to fake--I mean, the proliferation of fake driver's licenses isn't going to be so easy with anticounterfit materials incorporated as we do with currency on a national level. To me, this is a way to flush out the system on a most basic level, and I think fake driver's licenses will be pretty tough to achieve especially immediatelly--and while we're always looking for a permanent fix, I don't think there IS one, we just have to keep playing whack-a-mole as these issues emerge. I found it amusing how an Arizona democrat (think it was AZ) called the state's attempts to stop illegals from getting driver's licenses a racist Republican plot--the requirement was that all drivers must show proof of residency. Wow, how racist.
hmmmm, now isn't the 'right to privacy' the right which protects mothers who choose to slaughter their preborn babies at abortion clinics?
But I must agree with you, the true rights to personal liberty and privacy have long been vanquished. It's for our own good, don't you know?
That's a lot of things from refrigeraters to fertilizer, from toilets to office lighting fixtures, from car parts to radio equipment. Probable cause for a seach warrant on your house or business will be a data search away and a positive hit on the purchase of something possibly in violation of any Fed regulation.
That's all in your mind. I made some factual observations on the content/lack of content of your posts. If you think that's nasty that's your problem not mine.
I did acknowledge what you have now reposted and pointed out that it was you, not me, that ignored my rebuttals and points made ie. the ease of faking documents needed to get this Super-ID. If that's nasty then most posts on FR are nasty. It's kind of a nasty tradition here to challenge unsupported assertions.
Whatever, have a good one.
Whatever.
So true, as was Elian Gonzalez.
You are exactly right. Of course, you don't need me to tell you.
For any ID system to work as they are suggesting, you need diligent checking of those ID's, and that is not just having someoe look at like they do when you present it to write a check.
It would mean that the ID would actually have to be verified using a central data bank. Each time you went to the bank or bought airline tickets, for example, they would have to punch in the ID and wait for a confirmation from the central data center.
This would not be 100% effective but it would be a whole lot better than just having a look at it with the eyes. And it is the minimum necessary for a good ID system.
In practice, this is done all the time when you enter the country and they check your passport. But politically, they would never get anyone to go for it.
It is all smoke and mirrors and politics.
Of course, that is the precise role of the Federal government. But their lawful ability to force States to comply with every federal agenda is limited. For the discerning individual, it's easy to see that the Federal government knows full well they cannot lawfully force the individual States to comply with this veiled national ID system, and that is exactly why they resort to twisting arms by threatening to withhold needed funds. What they can't accomplish Constitutionally they sometimes acheive through threats or sanctions. With an ignorant or naive citizenry, the few will always find a way to usurp authority and control or oppress the many. When will we ever learn?
Dear child, I said it was not an electronic ID.
I can just about guarantee nobody wants to stick a probe in you.
Aren't you a little OLD to be making jokes like that?
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