Posted on 02/10/2005 2:46:19 PM PST by anotherview
Liberalism is in itself hate speech, its down to the level of little more than hate whitey this or hate whitey that, so why is Israel special? In my book they have just been added to the enemies list.
In the U.S.A., there should be NO restrictions to Free Political Speech as guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Just because you don't like it, does NOT give you the right to squelch it --- just as NEITHER does it give the 'offensive party' the right for protection from YOUR free speech response to their diatribes.
No?
"Liberalism is in itself hate speech, its down to the level of little more than hate whitey this or hate whitey that, so why is Israel special? In my book they have just been added to the enemies list."
Right on brother! Free speech was made for those who go against the grain, however repugnant. This is neo-cons (i.e. "former" Marxists) trying to push a liberal totalitarian anti-democracy agenda on conservatives, using the group conservative/mainstream Christians want specially protected to do it. Every nation and religion is bashed, Israel is no exception. If you can't say anything critical of Israel policies or Jewish religion, then you better prepare to love Saudi Arabia and Islam, because eventually the same standard will apply.
Hey! You aren't a very good sheep! You are "supposed" to go along with this neo-con crud! Hails to you for seeing through this "trial balloon."
Kill my free speech, kill my freedom. Then I have to kill to get it back (sorry, forgive me Jesus). Not the way of democracy, but if it be, then so be it.
Idiot author. The same applies to everyone. Israel can be convicted on all counts, and so can Christians by your standards. BTW I am neutral in that conflict.
" Falsely wrapping themselves in the 'free speech' provisions of various countries, these haters have been given free rein to spread their repugnant political agendas aimed at genocide and ethnic cleansing."
Gee, why don't you just say "hiding behind the first amendment" and be done with it. I don't know why or how this lefty speech code garbage keeps drifting over here.
I suggest you learn a greater appreciation for our liberties before someone comes by and shuts you up for saying something unpopular. Either that or just go join the Communist Party USA and be done with it.
Hey, don't spoil it for me buddy! My ancestry goes back 4 centuries in America and I have French, German, English, Scottish and Canadian Indian blood. (There may be more...it would be worth the effort to find out.) I could have at least a million lawsuits by myself and that would be on a good day.
No treaty overrides the Bill of Rights. Period. End of discussion
The same First Amendment that allows me (and others on FR) to heap disdain on Islamofascists also allows others to say bad things about other religions or ethnicities. Grow a thicker skin and learn to live with it.
When people can be imprisoned for what they say and what they think then you cease to be a free people.
"These hate speech and hate crime laws I believe are along with activist judges the greatest threat this country faces."
Hear, hear!
But you can be punished for crying fire in a theatre. I have to respectfully disagree that true hate speech should be punished.
Not really. The author has everything wrong from her examples to the Geneva Convention, which this isn't a part of. But forget war crimes, if you thing you can either incite others to or collude to commit a criminal act, and rely on the 1st Amendment to get off, you're dreaming.
I agree these people are just using Israel as the stalking horse, but with our luck the Pat Robertsons of the world would go along with this globalist tyranny and it could become reality. Its tough defending people like the Pro-Pali liberals or the Ward Churchill variety goofs, but in the end it is the right thing to do.
I understand and thought about the example you mentioned before posting and I am not in disagreemnt with you.
I think the problem we have concerning speech in this country is the fact that we have let the activist judges so distort the first amendment that no one even knows what speech is anymore or what the definition of the term "right" is either.
I happen to believe speech is verbal and what comes out of your mouth.
It is not desecrating the flag or parading down the street naked shouting obscenities in people's face. I believe you have the "right" to state your opposition or support to any cause or idea passionately but in a civil and decent manner.
It is not a "right" to threaten or incite or attempt to cause physical violence or harm to others.
Great leaders of the past where able to make their case in a manner that would win you over without the need to stand waist- deep in the sewer or by use of the club on the bodies of their opponents.
With a little exercise of common sense we could too.
Agreed. The concept is sound until the liberals get into the act.
"if you thing you can either incite others to or collude to commit a criminal act, and rely on the 1st Amendment to get off, you're dreaming."
ok -- If that is the case, at what point is calling for the destruction of our enemies within our borders considered "illegal" ??
If mohammed is trying to cut your head off, do you simply ask him to please use a sharp knife first? Or do you "pre-emptively" blow his head off first? It would be rather difficult to retaliate AFTER your head has been removed from your body, would it not?
Being politically correct in a time of war or when somebody wants you - your family - your country DEAD is simply S T U P I D!
Besides, our Constitution calls for the power of the people to rise up and dismantle this government whenever they decide it has become too powerful and tyranical. Is THIS hate speech to be muted? To many (especially lawyers and radical judges) ... YES!
"Hey, don't spoil it for me buddy! My ancestry goes back 4 centuries in America and I have French, German, English, Scottish and Canadian Indian blood. (There may be more...it would be worth the effort to find out.) I could have at least a million lawsuits by myself and that would be on a good day."
Our ancestry is similar, except I don't have any Indian and the Canadian in me isn't blood, it's Scottish and English and the Swiss is actually German. Yes we could all file numerous lawsuits if we were all permitted to sue for reparations. I am a little miffed about the treatment of my Swiss-German Mennonites all over Europe and America. The slander continues to this day, with liberals calling them a "cult." Everyone has a gripe. The difference is that we got over it and others don't. Could you just imagine how they would go about taxing us for black slavery reps?
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