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To: MamaTexan
Christianity is part of the Common, or Natural Law. Therefore it is Christianity that is the basis of our government. Religion of any other type is not synonymous with the American experience of Liberty!"

This might have been a statement by a FF, but it's wrong. American liberty works for members of all religions.

227 posted on 02/10/2005 2:55:10 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Modernman
This might have been a statement by a FF, but it's wrong. American liberty works for members of all religions.

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: 'It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." President Adams, July 4, 1821

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were.... the general principles of Christianity." -- John Adams in letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 28, 1813

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams from his Oct. 13, 1789 address to the military.

"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there contained! Every member would be obliged in conscience to temperance, frugality and industry: to justice, kindness and charity towards his fellow men: and to piety, love and reverence toward Almighty God....What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." John Adams diary entry Feb. 22., 1756.

"The Christian religion is, above all the Religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of Wisdom, Virtue, Equity, and Humanity. Let the Blackguard Paine say what he will; it is Resignation to God, it is Goodness itself to man." John Adams retorting to Thomas Paine in his diary, July 26, 1796.

"A patriot without religion, in my estimation, is as great a paradox as an honest man without the fear of God. Is it possible that he whom no moral obligations bind, can have any real Good Will towards Men? Can he be a patriot who, by an openly vicious conduct, is undermining the very bonds of Society? ...The Scriptures tell us righteousness exalteth a Nation." Abigal Adams, wife of President John Adams in letter to husband John Adams 1776.

"...a true American Patriot must be a religious man...He who neglects his duty to his maker, may well be expected to be deficient and insincere in his duty towards the public." Abigal Adams, wife of President John Adams in letter to husband John Adams 1776.

"The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but the God of Israel is He that giveth strength and power unto His people. Trust in Him at all times, ye people, pour out your hearts before Him; God is a refuge for us." Abigal Adams, wife of President John Adams in letter to husband John Adams 1776.

"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, they may change their rulers and the forms of government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty." John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, dated June 21, 1776.

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were . . . the general principles of Christianity." John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 28, 1813, The Adams-Jefferson Letters,ed. Lester J. Cappon (Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 1959), vol 2, pp. 339-40.
235 posted on 02/10/2005 3:05:16 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Modernman
Article 1 of the FDOR is untenable and makes everything that follows it farce.

"1. Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions may be founded only upon the general good."

Karl Marx logic. You're group doesn't obtain with the general good, ergo you're social niche is less than human, off to the Gulag. All nicely codified in their DOR.

237 posted on 02/10/2005 3:08:22 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Modernman
This might have been a statement by a FF, but it's wrong.

No, the statement is correct.

American liberty works for members of all religions.

True. I know it sounds confusing, but please allow me to explain.

Religion of any other type is not synonymous with the American experience of Liberty!" merely means that the Founders insured our freedom by using part of the 10 Commandments in our laws.

Noah Webster, the man personally responsible for Art. I, Sec. 8, ¶ 8, of the U. S. Constitution, explained two centuries ago:
The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.

Now this did NOT mean everyone had to be Christian, it only meant everyone had to follow these few simple laws:
SIX: You shall not murder *not to be confused with self defense

SEVEN: You shall not commit adultery *fail to live up to a contractual obligation (breach of contract)

EIGHT: You shall not steal

NINE: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor *lie

TEN: You shall not covet anything that is your neighbor's *conspiracy

Violation of one of these is considered a crime because they negatively and directly affected another human being.

Government has never had the authority to define *crime*.

In fact, the reason no particular religion is mentioned in the Constitution is that government is an artificial entity. Something created BY MAN to secure his rights. Artificial creations do not have free will, and therefore cannot have a religion.

241 posted on 02/10/2005 3:25:51 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity*!)
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