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We are the final frontier
The Guardian ^ | 2/10/05

Posted on 02/10/2005 6:21:42 AM PST by Valin

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1 posted on 02/10/2005 6:21:42 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
This thread will be hijacked by post 6.
2 posted on 02/10/2005 6:25:35 AM PST by ASA Vet (FR needs a Science Forum.)
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To: Valin
Silliness from intelligent people. No one predicted the previous revolutions and it looks like no one is going to predict the next one.
3 posted on 02/10/2005 6:32:34 AM PST by Max Combined (Steyn, "the Dems are all exit and no strategy.")
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To: ASA Vet

Yeah. Some idiot will post a bible quote, or killin babies, or some other "follow the shoe" nonsense.


4 posted on 02/10/2005 6:39:16 AM PST by MonroeDNA (US OUT of the UN!)
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To: Valin

Despite all their training and ability, these prognosticators cannot predict the moving force of evolution: environmental pressures. That's why eugenics never really gets off the ground. We can selectively breed or splice genes all we want. But whether these changes will be adaptive generations down the road is anybody's guess...and that's what this is: guessing.


5 posted on 02/10/2005 6:45:58 AM PST by Rudder
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Hijacked by who? The fundamentalist religious whackos who stubbornly believe humans are humans and animals are animals? Can't they see we are just animals who talk to each other on computers, travel into space, ponder the existance and thoughts of God, cure disease, are not bound by mere instint. Hell, I should be zoo exhibit! Watch the human make his coffee in the morning and his problem solving capabilities are marvelous, watch him unclog that sink. What whackos! I'm a beast!


6 posted on 02/10/2005 6:46:22 AM PST by HankReardon
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humans are animals, hank... do you presume to be "nearly equal" to god and hence "special"? accept that you are merely a beast and you are a step closer to understanding that you and your knowledge of god will always be imperfect. then maybe you can cease being arrogant and learn the lesson jesus was trying to teach mankind: humbleness....


7 posted on 02/10/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by thejokker
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To: HankReardon; ASA Vet

...post #6.

Right on que.


8 posted on 02/10/2005 7:12:37 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: PatrickHenry

ping


9 posted on 02/10/2005 7:13:28 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Valin

I think we may be part of 'someone's' (e.g., God's) experiment. Like a colony of bacteria in a Petri dish (Earth), with the experimenter wondering what will result after many generations of reproduction.


10 posted on 02/10/2005 7:17:59 AM PST by expatpat
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I like to think of this life as basic traning, for when the REAL work begins.


11 posted on 02/10/2005 7:23:34 AM PST by Valin (Work is a fine thing if it doesn't take too much of your spare time)
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'The end of the individual' Susan Greenfield, neuroscientist, Oxford University

This poor gal is a victim of a 1950-1980 Sci Fi fad. The end of the individual. Funny how it coincided with the pinnacle of collectivism.

She's too smart to respect what Reagan tried to teach the world, that there is strength in the individual, strength in freedom and free will.

It's also interesting that she see the Internet as a device in this. IMO, if the Internet does anything, it empowers the individual further. Want a "collective thought machine" watch CNN/CBS/ABC/MSNBC/BBC/PBS.

12 posted on 02/10/2005 7:39:15 AM PST by Dead Dog (T)
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and learn the lesson jesus was trying to teach mankind: humbleness....

While I agree that Jesus came to teach humility, true humility is not acknowledgement that one is just a thinking animal. True humility is knowing who God is, who you are, and what your right relationship is to Him.

Regarding the article, it's a bit fanciful to think that conciousness is just a matter of computing power. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't even have a scientific model for conciousness as of yet, so how exactly do we propose to know when or if we will be able to duplicate it? It's like predicting when we will invent warp drive without having the foggiest theoretical notion of how we might go about beating (or cheating) the speed of light. If you're just writing science-fiction, great. If you're actually trying to be legitimate in your speculations, you have to admit ignorance where it exists.

13 posted on 02/10/2005 7:49:40 AM PST by Buggman (Your failure to be informed does not make me a kook.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Interesting essay. Yeah, might as well crank up the ping machine ...


14 posted on 02/10/2005 8:53:14 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Science Ping! An elite subset of the Evolution list.
See list's description in my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail to be added/dropped.

15 posted on 02/10/2005 8:54:34 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


16 posted on 02/10/2005 9:01:56 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: thejokker

Please spare me the humans are animals lecture, it's ridiculous.


17 posted on 02/10/2005 9:25:55 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: MonroeDNA
or some other "follow the shoe" nonsense....(MP's :) Brian lives.
18 posted on 02/10/2005 9:29:50 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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"Want a "collective thought machine" watch CNN/CBS/ABC/MSNBC/BBC/PBS...and ABCNNBC_BS."

Truest words, ever said on FR...on the outpost of FReer Speech. :^)

19 posted on 02/10/2005 9:40:05 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: HankReardon
Please spare me the humans are animals lecture, it's ridiculous.

Yeah. Just because we share the same physiological traits and there is no chemical difference in human and animal physical makeup -- just different DNA -- it is silly to say that humans are animals. I mean, it must be false, because if it were true, we would feel less "special" and since things that we don't like can't be true, it's false!
20 posted on 02/10/2005 9:43:22 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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