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To: antoninartaud
Spare me the patronizing tone about Hitler's Germany, I have several shelves devoted to the subject. The practice of sterilization is not new and neither is it reserved to the 3rd Reich.

Ah, so you are obsessed with Hitler's eugenics policies. In retrospect, that's unsurprising.

Anti-Semitism did not start with the 3rd Reich either, nor did the euthanization of handicapped children nor did the concentration camp. Yet, like compulsory sterilization of criminals, the murder of the handicapped, and concentration camps anti-Semitism is strongly associated with the Nazi regime.

You are living with an 18th century perspective--there are many forms of sterilization (temp and more permenent) that were unavailable to the past, but most certainly would have been employed if they were practical.

No, I'm living with a first century, NT perspective. It's amusing that a poster on a conservative website would think that a viewpoint's traditionalism was sufficient to condemn it.

No, the "right" to have children is fiction, as is eating. No work=no eat, you do not have a right to food

How do you justify the feeding of infants, or the severely retarded or the infirm elderly? They can't work. Your viewpoint seems to be more and more as I suspected.

just as you do not have a right to dump children you can't care for on the rest of us; just as society can intervene between a woman and her urge to procreate if she has a history of abusing/murdering her offspring.

Again, if she is a murderer, execute her. There's no need to mutilate a person.

Sterilization is not "torture" any more than menopause is

What a silly, uneducated statement. If someone slips, falls and breaks both their legs, it's not torture. If someone has their legs intentionally broken by someone else in a methodical calculating fashion, it is torture. Menopause is a natural occurrence. Forced sterilization is mutilative torture.

there are circumstances that warant preventing some women from having babies.

Oh, I'm sure there are circumstances aplenty in the mind of a eugenicist with a whole section of his personal library devoted to Hitler. Criminal records first, surely. Then not finishing high school will be justification enough. Then being Jewish or black or Mexican is next . . . you know, whatever circumstances seem correct to the godlike Aryan in charge at the time.

109 posted on 02/10/2005 4:30:23 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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