Posted on 02/09/2005 6:22:08 AM PST by kahoutek
Uneven playing field, my left foot.
Bars and restaurants have different types of clientele...they are not the same.
The only true "level playing field" in the hospitality industry is the market place and healthy competition.
One of the current ploys in the Delaware General Assembly to ignore the truth that the smoking ban is still driving Delawareans over the state line to Maryland & Pennsylvania establishments is a claim that because those bars are open later than Delaware bars, and that's the reason, so Delaware bars should be allowed to stay open an extra hour.
First they let the bars open on Sunday, and now they want to add an hour to serving time. They refuse to admit the mistake of the smoking ban....there are actually a few honest ones that admit their vote for the ban was a mistake and would be willing to vote for changes..........but not enough.
But not enough...........not yet.......
Tis true...........
Chopping off the heads of one group of people for blood money.
Sadly, that's how may government-establishment relationships operate. It's best to expose specific individuals rather than a generalized government or organization. For it's the employees/CEOs, politicians and bureaucrats -- parasitical elite -- that need to be exposed and held accountable for their frauds.
Thanks much to the Internet, they can run but they cannot hide for long.
How come I've never seen little property-grabbing rights-ignoring Nikki standing at the corner slot of the bar knocking back a few cold ones after a hard days work?
what? She wouldn't be caught dead in any gin mill that people like me frequent?
Then what the hell does the altruistic twit give a damn whether I smoke or not?
We have become an intolerant society. There are no credible studies on the harmful effects of second-hand smoke. What's the matter with these people? They think they're going to live forever? What about my quality of life?
So, let's say that my New Year's resolution was to give up smoking. I give it up, begin exercising daily, lose weight and, as a reward, I book a holiday in Phuket for the first week in February...
Goodness! How pristine!
The anti's say it's for the children, and the children will be running our lives. Shoot me now, please........
The War on Drugs rolls on, now swallowing up tobacco smokers in its path.
Maybe now tobacco smokers will understand what we libertarians (or as some RWJF/MADD/ONDCP types on this forum call us: "loserdopians" or "Me-o-crats") have be crying in the wilderness about for years. Yeah, you can still buy cigs at the 7/11 for now, but before 1937 you could grow your own pot, too.
What many of you fail to understand is that most of us do sympathize with your plight, however there are far too many pro-legalization of marijuana types that push for these tobacco bans and claim it's our turn to be pariahs, that you have lost much sympathy.
"Makes me want to throw up"
Me too..what a steaming pile.
"Property rights are a fundamental tenet of conservatism. If you don't support them, you aren't a conservative."
World without end. Amen.
Due to an avoidance of adhering to principle most people traverse a range of irrationalities. For example, certain people that are justly against government smoking bans do so not from the principle of property rights or right of free association. For they will be on another thread and denigrate a business owner's right to not associate with smokers.
Reason takes to principle like fish take to water.
I understand what you are saying. It is why I was so adamant against those calling for more laws to prohibit other employers from doing what that guy in Michigan did (quit smoking or lose your job).
I don't like what he did - but must support his right to run his company as he sees fit, without calling for more government intrusion.
Sadly, that's too often true. But if you examine the *other* agendas of such people, you'll find that they emanate from the left and are as far from libertarianism as one could imagine.
Too often, many on our side confuse the message with the messenger. For example, the support for drug law reform by George Soros (who is a vile human being) is often floated as a reason to justify marijuana prohibition by the Drug Warriors on this forum. Just because a jerk like Soros happens to be in favor of the issue doesn't make the issue wrong, though. After all, Hitler made the trains run on time, but of course that didn't excuse his crimes against humanity.
The sad truth is that there are many faux-conservatives (like the smoking nazis posting on this thread) that march to the same drummer as the left when it comes to depriving people of their liberties to advance their cause de jour. Whether the smoke is tobacco or cannibis, the bottom line is still that freedoms are being taken away "for the greater good" whenever prohibition laws are passed.
Your examples of Soros and Hitler are perfectly apt........and I agree.
They can dish it out, but they can't take it, though. the anti-smokers and their propaganda, for example. The professional (highly paid) antis get very testy when reminded of Hitler's anti-tobacco stance and use of propaganda against smokers.
I don't even want to get into the Soros thing.........I know how nasty the drug warriors have gotten regarding that.
When asked by friends, I have been more than happy to sign a petition or send an email to my congresscritter on the subject of decriminalization or legalization of cannibis. But I am only one person with limited time and so must choose my major battles, and keeping tobacco from going the way of cannibis happens to be my battle of choice. I'm not opposed, it's just not my main focus.
If I came across the wrong way to you, please accept my apologies. I just get very annoyed when some of the anti-WOD folks pop into the tobacco threads and basically say GOOD, especially in regard to tax hikes and bans. It's actually rather childish, just because they can't play with their toys they want to take toys away from others, out of some misguided idea of fairness.
Alright, who in the HECK wrote that headline?!
I don't like what he did - but must support his right to run his company as he sees fit, without calling for more government intrusion.
It occurs to me that the person who truly understands principle understands tolerance. The founding fathers certainly understood both very well. Though I don't understand in their day in time the allowance of slavery. An educated guess is that it was an ingrained part of the establishment to tolerate the irrationality of slavery.
Perhaps similar to today wherein virtually every American is enslaved. Status quo of the establishment.
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