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U.S. soldiers do not enjoy killing (From the College Front)(Barf Alert)
Badger Herald (U. Wisconsin) ^ | 2/7/05 | Casey Hoff

Posted on 02/08/2005 11:21:51 AM PST by NorCoGOP

MADISON, Wis. -- Pop quiz, hotshot: Who made the following statement last week? "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight, you know? It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you. I like brawling."

A. Abu Musab al-Zarkowi

B. Osama Bin Laden

C. Saddam Hussein

D. U.S. Lieutenant General James Mattis

If you guessed D, congratulations. You now understand that one of our U.S. Marines made a comment so outrageous that he is now on par with the worst of the terrorists. General James Mattis said that, "it's fun to shoot some people" and "it's a hell of a hoot" while speaking to a group in San Diego about strategies for the war on terror. General Mattis has commanded troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he now has blood on his hands because by making that comment, he immediately put our U.S. troops in more danger. His service in the marines is no longer honorable.

I have a long history of military service in my family, as do millions of other Americans. My uncle ran the Pensacola Marine Base and flew both Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. He also served in Vietnam, and in Beirut he flew a helicopter to try and free the Iranian hostages. My grandfather served in World War II in Pearl Harbor at the time of the horrific bombings there. I also have a very good friend who is currently serving in Iraq.

Military service is a priceless asset to the United States of America as our last line of defense against those who want to kill us, and I cannot thank the U.S. military enough for putting their lives at risk in the most heroic of fashions so that we can continue to live peacefully in this wonderful country. But there is one virtue that 99 percent of the military holds dear to this day: They serve their country not because it's a "hoot" or a fun little game to kill people, but because in the absolute last lines of defense, they must kill to protect us. In other words, 99 percent of the military does not enjoy killing.

Lieutenant General James Mattis is not a hero; he is a terrorist. By making that statement, he instantly recruited more terrorists to murder our good men and women serving in Iraq. Like the Abu Ghraib torture situation and the Mi Lai massacre in Vietnam, General Mattis re-emphasized the negative stereotype of the U.S. Marines as "killing machines" and "evil, vindictive murderers." He should be dishonorably discharged from the military immediately.

However, thus far his superior officer General Mike Hagee is defending these indefensible, pseudo-treasonous comments by saying, "While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war." It is an unfortunate reality to have to kill while we are at war, but it is a complete lie and distortion to insinuate that the majority of our troops enjoy killing.

General Mattis' statements do two extremely dangerous things. No. 1, it will cause the death of more U.S. soldiers, as the Abu Ghraib incident did after it was exploited and played countless times on Al-Jazeera television. No. 2, it adds fuel to the fire for a small sector of the Sandonista-left in this country that see the United States military as an evil institution with evil people in it that love to kill. A caller on my radio show re-emphasized this ridiculous position on Friday, when he called the U.S. military a bunch of "killing machines" who enjoy murdering people. The other ridiculous sentiment comes from the crypto-fascist, Kool-Aid-drinking, Sean Hannity right, who believe that we can say and do whatever we want to others because we are the U.S.A., and we are a superpower.

The people with this opinion are also fools. If we claim to have the "moral high-ground" over the terrorists, then we have to act that way. We can't avoid the Geneva Conventions like these same people wanted to do with Abu Ghraib, and we can't have people in the military who say to the whole world that they get some sort of sick pleasure out of killing others.

What General James Mattis did when he said "It's fun to shoot some people" is beyond my comprehension. If you defend his statements, then you must realize you are spitting in the face of every single person in the United States military and every single veteran. Mattis is not a hero, but a terrorist and an inhumane piece of human debris. He is a Benedict Arnold in our effort to fight terrorism and is a disgrace to this country. We must do everything we can to keep the General James Mattises of this world out of the conceptual image of the U.S. military and this great country.


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To: NorCoGOP

"My uncle ran the Pensacola Marine Base and flew both Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. He also served in Vietnam, and in Beirut he flew a helicopter to try and free the Iranian hostages. My grandfather served in World War II in Pearl Harbor at the time of the horrific bombings there. I also have a very good friend who is currently serving in Iraq."

This is the equivalent of... "some of my best friends are Black" right before the offensive comment comes from their lips.
My ONLY friends are Marines... OOH-RAH!! Gen Mattis!!


41 posted on 02/08/2005 12:13:02 PM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: texan75010
Guess what soldiers who enjoy killing do when they come back to the states and read articles like yours?

Hopefully, they seek psychiatric help if they can't adjust back to life in the US.

You're insulting our military if you think they are the type of people who will come back from Iraq and proceed to assault or kill journalists.

42 posted on 02/08/2005 12:13:20 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Kleon
Anyone who does not enjoy the thought of killing people who rape women and children, routinely cut off body parts including heads, and torture their own is in need of psychiatric help!
43 posted on 02/08/2005 12:13:23 PM PST by texan75010 (You lost - MoveOn...to France, or Canada, or New Zealand, or Germany...take your pick.)
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To: texan75010

Good point!


44 posted on 02/08/2005 12:14:51 PM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: MichiganCheese
Last night on Hannity & Colmes, Ann Coulter referred to General Mattis as her future husband!

I saw that! Funny!

45 posted on 02/08/2005 12:15:31 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: NorCoGOP

By the way the word Marine when describing a U.S. Marine... is always, Capitalized.


46 posted on 02/08/2005 12:15:47 PM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: NorCoGOP
...he flew a helicopter to try and free the Iranian hostages.

read: 'he tried to fly a helicopter and tried to free the Iranian hostages'...

47 posted on 02/08/2005 12:15:58 PM PST by martin gibson
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To: TheForceOfOne

Wait a minute Ace, I'm a New Yorker and I've been fighting these SOB's and America's enemies since the 60's. Patriotic Americans come from all over. Its not a matter of geography but rather honor, courage, duty, and love of country.


48 posted on 02/08/2005 12:16:20 PM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: Modernman
Leftist Journalist = Terrorist Sympathizer/Traitor

They give aid and comfort to the enemy and should be treated like any other traitor.
49 posted on 02/08/2005 12:16:33 PM PST by texan75010 (You lost - MoveOn...to France, or Canada, or New Zealand, or Germany...take your pick.)
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To: marine86297

Well said brother.

Semper Fi


50 posted on 02/08/2005 12:17:47 PM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: ariamne
The ones get it. Pennsylvania went blue during the election but most of the state is red, this is typical. The cities are large magnets for those who wish to be taken care of by the government. Anywhere can produce military families but the attitudes and about America and our troops comes from red states and red counties.
51 posted on 02/08/2005 12:19:04 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: texan75010
Leftist Journalist = Terrorist Sympathizer/Traitor

Like I said, the vast majority of the people serving in our armed services would never think of assaulting a journalist for expressing views they disagree with. Unlike you, they understand that one of the things that they are fighting for is the right of Americans to have different opinions.

They give aid and comfort to the enemy and should be treated like any other traitor.

That is, of course, utter nonsense. Disagreeing with the WOT does not make one a terrorist.

Any serviceman who attacked this reporter would find himself breaking rocks in a military prison for a very long time, and rightfully so. Our military are not equivalent to Saddam's goons, no matter how much you seem to think they should be.

52 posted on 02/08/2005 12:21:27 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: ariamne
As a woman, I'd shoot 'em myself.

Not if we had passed through first and I'll point out that they don't say that the Marines are the first to fight for nothing.

53 posted on 02/08/2005 12:21:28 PM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: An Old Marine

You are an exception or a minority red blooded American living in a blue area. A true American hero as are all troops that serve. Thank you.


54 posted on 02/08/2005 12:22:26 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: NorCoGOP

Note, this civilian's credentials are "he has relatives that were in the military."

Plus he has taken the quote out of context.

What a putz


55 posted on 02/08/2005 12:28:19 PM PST by Beckwith (Barbara Boxer is the Wicked Witch of the West . . .)
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To: TheForceOfOne

Most of the liberalism in my state comes from the cities. Upstate NY is very conservative for the most part. And you have scads of lib/dem strongholds in cities all over the South and Mid-West, urban areas where the thinking is that big govt can solve your problems. I think red and blue are a state of mind, not necessarily a state in the union.


56 posted on 02/08/2005 12:31:19 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: An Old Marine

OOH-RAH. I will never have to shoot terrorists as long as we have the United States Marines.
Semper Fi.


57 posted on 02/08/2005 12:33:52 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: NorCoGOP
Mattis is not a hero, but a terrorist and an inhumane piece of human debris.

Why do liberals always end up with name calling when trying to formulate an argument? Are they all just suffering from extended adolescence or something? I really don't understand. I don't always see this when arguing with conservatives, but it invariably occurs when lefties attempt to put forth their side. What's up with that?

58 posted on 02/08/2005 12:41:14 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ariamne
I agree, it serves a purpose only to differentiate political points of view but it can be mapped out to form a picture. Fear of being able to provide the means for survival guides some to believe taxing everyone and disbursing the wealth makes all things better. This is socialism and it failed in the USSR. If people were guided to believe the government will not be their security blanket they would get up and find a way to survive and succeed and the government could then take better care of those who really need it like the blind and handicap and others that truly cannot survive without help. The key to doing so is education and the motivation to be something in life.
59 posted on 02/08/2005 12:47:49 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: DocH

Funny, I was on Pensacola NAS today and I don't recall it being a marine base either. But, this guy writes for a college newspaper so he knows better than me...being an NFO student and all.


60 posted on 02/08/2005 1:01:00 PM PST by zkbeta51
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