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Mystery Illness Baffles Doctors; Frustrates Patients
foxreno.com ^ | POSTED: 7:43 pm PST February 6, 2005 UPDATED: 8:03 pm PST February 7, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 02/08/2005 7:29:16 AM PST by Lee Heggy

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To: MonaMars

While what you wrote may be true, the various media promoted Lyme disease as if it were a polio epedemic. While there are ticks everywhere, the incidence of Lyme disease is very slight.


61 posted on 02/09/2005 5:19:24 AM PST by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: wideminded

I'll bet you that you could very nearly correlate incidence of Lyme disease and 'mystery illnesses' with 'blue' counties based on that map.


62 posted on 02/09/2005 8:17:05 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (What God hath made, no man can kill it out.)
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To: Lee Heggy

bump


63 posted on 02/09/2005 8:54:57 AM PST by GOPJ (Jacksonville and the NFL did us proud. Thanks for a great show.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Good point:

MIght also be a parasite, with symptoms dependant on what part of the body is infested.

64 posted on 02/09/2005 8:56:03 AM PST by GOPJ (Jacksonville and the NFL did us proud. Thanks for a great show.)
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To: Lee Heggy

And who is the majority population inhabiting the San Francisco city limits? The homeless, the destitute and the disease ridden balance of the population.


65 posted on 02/09/2005 9:02:34 AM PST by hgro
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To: Smokin' Joe

Can you post a link to the article on Crohn's Disease?

I don't think the full article is available yet online, but here's the abstract from pubmed:

Intestinal mycoplasma in Crohn's disease.

Roediger WE.

Department of Surgery, University of Adelaide, The Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Adelaide, SA 5011, Australia.

Intestinal diversion with reconnection in active Crohn's disease (CD) indicates that luminal contents or bacteria contribute to the formation of CD lesions. Fluorescent staining for mycoplasma in freshly resected Crohn's tissue and electron microscopy reveal intracellular organisms akin to mycoplasma. Historically, tissue culture of CD has shown mycoplasma described as contaminants. Mycoplasma are surface epithelial parasites requiring exogenous cholesterol for membrane stability and cell entry. PCR of intestinal tissue has shown Mycoplasma pneumoniae to be detectable more significantly in CD. Oral M. iowae in experimental poultry localizes to the distal small bowel and colon. Hypothetically, lipopeptides of mycoplasmal membranes are proposed to cause chronicity and stronger immune responses than by other bacteria. 'Intestinal' mycoplasmas, from a number of observations, deserve consideration as organisms mediating inflammation of acute and chronic CD.

PMID: 15669636 [PubMed - in process]

If you do a search there was also an article posted here on FR a while back that discussed mycoplasma.


66 posted on 02/09/2005 9:22:25 AM PST by MonaMars
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To: Rocketman

please spare us....


67 posted on 02/09/2005 9:23:41 AM PST by ARA
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To: MonaMars

Thanks!


68 posted on 02/09/2005 9:24:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: Lee Heggy
This is weird...a real disease, no doubt. I would guess viral.

The Lyme disease connection sounds strange...why mostly in people in medically-related jobs?

69 posted on 02/09/2005 9:51:35 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: hgro
And who is the majority population inhabiting the San Francisco city limits? The homeless, the destitute and the disease ridden balance of the population.

Some of these foolish, insensitive, ignorant comments really amaze me. Everyone of the patients I have corresponded with are white collar, technical, professional or managerial and heterosexual. Some have lost their jobs afterwards. None of the people I know lives anywhere near San Francisco.

70 posted on 02/09/2005 10:46:20 AM PST by steve86
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To: Bon mots
No, but it's true I am a heavy consumer of aspartame.

But this disease involves some sort of pathogen. Just a toxin isn't enough to explain it, IMO. The odd thing is that no biopsy or culture has ever definitely identified the pathogen, apart from the normal staph and what not that inhabits everyone. The pathogen has to be very small or very different (think prions or something) or very good at hiding!

71 posted on 02/09/2005 10:52:58 AM PST by steve86
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To: Bon mots

I am pretty much past the painful part, BTW. But I remember it, what hasn't been repressed.


72 posted on 02/09/2005 10:54:16 AM PST by steve86
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To: Lee Heggy
"It started as a small sore and kept spreading," she said. "I had doctors tell me that basically, it was delusional, then because it was the two of us with it we were feeding on each other, and egging each other on."

Skin lesions are delusional?
73 posted on 02/09/2005 10:58:16 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Lee Heggy

Bump to read later


74 posted on 02/09/2005 11:00:26 AM PST by Darnright
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To: sartorius
Dracunculus medinensis was the old name of those beasts

No, these are much different from those. They aren't animate, aren't alive, and are very small in diameter. At 60x you can only begin to see any width to the fiber. Often times there is an "electric-blue" color to them. The composition is primarily cellulose (which is really strange) and most of the research involves a sort of reverse-engineering to figure out what could possibly be producing those.

76 posted on 02/09/2005 11:38:07 AM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

I pointed out the aspartame connection becasue I had read that it makes a person more susceptible to the Lyme Disease pathogen. If that is so, then maybe it also prevents some of its long term effects from leaving the body...


77 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:40 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: BearWash


My book describes two different organisms that are causative
in erythema nodosum: 1.coccidioidomycosis,causative agent is coccidiodes immitis, a dimorphic fungus
2.histoplasma capsulatum, also a dimorphic fungus. these grow as a mold in soil and as a yeast in animal and human hosts.


79 posted on 02/09/2005 11:55:02 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: sartorius
Thanks for the info. Yes, I believe several spectroscopy efforts have shown the cellulose. Mary, the Director of Morgellons Foundation is actually a microbiologist and worked very closely with the labs where the research was conducted. In fact, she personally performed one of the electron microscopy investigations.
80 posted on 02/09/2005 11:55:18 AM PST by steve86
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