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To: RaceBannon
Partial retraction. There apparently were a couple anti-evolution articles in The Fundamentals, according to a secondary source I just found. I don't remember them, so I'm guessing for the moment they weren't articles that were primarily addressing scientific issues. Or maybe the edition I have doesn't include all the later articles? (It's only 5 volumes, I think, but possibly it doesn't follow the breakdown of the original. It's packed away right now.) Or maybe I just forgot.

By the way, while I remembered Orr and Wright, I'd forgotten that your hero Torrey was one of those who contributed an article that was open to evolution! Anyway, here's what I found:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/2/part12.html

Many evangelical Christians today suppose that Bible believers have always been in favor of a "young-universe" and "creationism." However, as any student of the history of geology (and religion) knows, by the 1850s all competent evangelical Christian geologists agreed that the earth must be extremely old, and that geological investigations did not support that the Flood "in the days of Noah" literally "covered the whole earth." Rev. William Buckland (head of geology at Oxford), Rev. Adam Sedgwick (head of geology at Cambridge), Rev. Edward Hitchcock (who taught natural theology and geology at Amherst College, Massachusetts), John Pye Smith (head of Homerton Divinity College), Hugh Miller (self taught geologist, and editor of the Free Church of Scotland's newspaper), and Sir John William Dawson (geologist and paleontologist, a Presbyterian brought up in a fundamentalist atmosphere, who also became the only person ever to serve as president of three of the most prestigious geological organizations of Britain and America), all rejected the "Genesis Flood" as an explanation of the geologic record (or any part of that record), and argued that it must have taken a very long time to form the various geologic layers. Neither were their conclusions based on a subconscious desire to support "evolution," since none of the above evangelical Christians were evolutionists, and the earliest works of each of them were composed before Darwin's Origin of Species was published. The plain facts of geology led them to acknowledge the vast antiquity of the earth. And this was before the advent of radiometric dating.

By the very early 1900s, even conservative theologians at Princeton Theological Seminary were prepared in varying degrees to concede to science a long earth history, the transmutation of species by evolution, and even an evolutionary past for the human physical form. Such theologians included B. B. Plarfield, the famous inerrantist Presbyterian, who at that time oversaw the publication of the Princeton Theological Review.

Even when the twelve-volume paperback series, The Fundamentals, was published between 1910 and 1915 (an interdenominational work that launched this century's "fundamentalist" movement), it contained cautiously pro-evolution stances of conservative Christian theologians like George Frederick Wright, James Orr, and R. A. Torrey. It was only in the eighth collection of Fundamentals papers that this cautious advocacy of evolution was matched by two decisively and aggressively anti-Darwin statements, one by someone who remained anonymous and another by the relatively unknown Henry Beach, both of whom lacked the theological and scientific standing of the senior evangelicals already mentioned.

I still think I'm correct in saying that NONE of the articles take a young earth view.

911 posted on 02/09/2005 12:27:54 AM PST by Stultis
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To: RaceBannon
Here's a bit more (empahsis added):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/religion/revolution/1910.html

c. 1913: Flood Geology
(Evolution Challenged)

Flood geology has few proponents. Many, if not most, conservative Christians of the day accept that Earth may be millions of years old. Yet the seeds for the young-Earth creationist movement are sown. A Seventh-day Adventist named George McCready Price, in his book The Fundamentals of Geology, argues that virtually all fossil-bearing rock on Earth can be attributed to the one year of Noah's flood. This idea will not be widely accepted by fundamentalists for 50 years.


912 posted on 02/09/2005 12:37:01 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Stultis

I always learn something new from you!


914 posted on 02/09/2005 1:22:04 AM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Professional NT Services by Miller)
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To: Stultis
I still think I'm correct in saying that NONE of the articles take a young earth view.

Since I posted an article that did promote a young Earth, and wuite well, you need to retract that statement.

928 posted on 02/09/2005 4:29:38 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Stultis

"There apparently were a couple anti-evolution articles in The Fundamentals, according to a secondary source I just found"

That is what I remembered.


932 posted on 02/09/2005 4:39:46 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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