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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Ichneumon

IIRC (big "if")
cheetahs are most closely related to the American Puma.
cheetahs have so little inter-specimen genetic diversity that they are almost clones - full inter-specimen transplant compatability, etc...
cheetahs are the only old-world great-cat capable of purring

the fixed claws are not compelling evidence of closer relation to the splite between canidae and felidae than other great cats - could just as easily be one of the many speed-related adaptations from an earlier, more conventionally "catty" ancestor

and, as I detect a decline in my ability to compose and spell, I believe it is time to retire.

see you around.


841 posted on 02/08/2005 8:27:15 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout

More precisely it would be populations that do not interbreed naturally in the wild.

My post 286 goes into some of the problems in defining species.

To repeat and elaborate on some of it:

On the way to speciation is diminished fertility. They can breed but fewer offspring survive, or the offspring can't breed etc.

another route is distance: New York squirrels breed fine with Ohio, less well with Montana and not at all with California populations. How many species?

Or, picture a very large round lake. The population at 12:00 can breed with 1:00 which can breed with 3:00. which can breed with 5:00 etc, but here's the kicker: when you get back to 12:00 there are now TWO species: the original denizens and the ones which bred themselves all the way around the lake. They don't interbreed at all.


842 posted on 02/08/2005 8:27:36 PM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: Theo

AIG says that the eyes are wired backwards to protect the rods and cones from UV. Why didn't God just make the rods and cones more resistant to UV instead of wiring the eye backards ...


843 posted on 02/08/2005 8:27:37 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Modernman

ah, you beat me to it. good to see my memory is working.


844 posted on 02/08/2005 8:29:19 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: shubi; AntiGuv; js1138
BTW, just cause I'm turning in early.

Common descent is a primary pillar of the modern synthesis theory of the theory of evolution (as I think js knows)

845 posted on 02/08/2005 8:30:11 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: shubi

AIG goes to great lengths to explain all the "design" problems of the eye away. "The eye is wired backwards to protect the rods and cones from UV". This is evidence of how smart God was in designing the eye. They never do address the fact that it would have been easier for God to design the eye correctly and just make the rods and cones less prone to UV damage. What a racket.


846 posted on 02/08/2005 8:30:18 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: From many - one.

your round lake illo is identical to the paradigm of the arctic circle seagulls (I mentioned them some posts back)

yeah, there are hazes ruining the precision I would prefer.


847 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:10 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: garybob
You're the one who said "Your "statistics" has been thoroughly refuted time and time again." So it ought not too hard for you to come up with the refutations...unless you are really making up that statement...

Wow! You want me to refute that which you will not post! Sorry, unlike some of the creationists here, I cannot read your mind.

848 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:23 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Example of creationist mis-stating the meaning of "theory".

Thanks for commenting on that single statement. You forgot to set me straight as to what the meaning of "theory" is and how I "mis-stated" it.
849 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:25 PM PST by Jaysun (Nefarious deeds for hire.)
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To: Ichneumon

"No it couldn't, because your Mustang doesn't replicate itself"

I don't know about that, Ford's done a pretty good job with the '67 GT


850 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:26 PM PST by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: WildTurkey

I don't give a hoot what creationists think, just keep that darn false science out of the public arena.

Darn right. We can't have people hearing about Creationism, and maybe thinking that evolution isn't all that it's cracked up to be. We ought not to allow people to freely make up their own minds. We oughta ban the books and then burn them, anything to do with creation or the proponents of creation. Maybe we oughta behead the rascals too. Sounds like a novel thought to me.

No, wait. I think the Taliban beat you to that idea.

851 posted on 02/08/2005 8:35:25 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: midnightson
I don't know about that, Ford's done a pretty good job with the '67 GT

That was a Shelby GT.

852 posted on 02/08/2005 8:37:03 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: midnightson; Ichneumon
I don't know about that, Ford's done a pretty good job with the '67 GT

Damned Skippy. I saw one in the mall yesterday. That's a mean looking machine. I'd like to have one.
853 posted on 02/08/2005 8:38:00 PM PST by Jaysun (Nefarious deeds for hire.)
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To: WildTurkey

250 or 500?


854 posted on 02/08/2005 8:38:21 PM PST by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Jaysun
You used the same mis-statement that the infamous "sticker" used, "only a theory" by implying that since it was "only a theory" it did not have full support of the scientific community.

Don't give me that "innocent what did I do, post", you did that knowing full well you were bearing false witness.

855 posted on 02/08/2005 8:39:55 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey; midnightson
That was a Shelby GT.

The one I saw yesterday looked a lot like the "fast back" I wrapped around a telephone pole.
856 posted on 02/08/2005 8:40:09 PM PST by Jaysun (Nefarious deeds for hire.)
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To: garybob
Darn right. We can't have people hearing about Creationism, and maybe thinking that evolution isn't all that it's cracked up to be. We ought not to allow people to freely make up their own minds. We oughta ban the books and then burn them, anything to do with creation or the proponents of creation. Maybe we oughta behead the rascals too. Sounds like a novel thought to me. No, wait. I think the Taliban beat you to that idea.

Of course you have totally misrepresented my post (no surprise) but it is the creationists using false propaganda that have the similarity to the Taliban.

857 posted on 02/08/2005 8:41:34 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout

I was thinking of the Ensatina slamanders...I'm way past time to get offline so just google the name and ring species


858 posted on 02/08/2005 8:42:05 PM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: garybob
Darn right. We can't have people hearing about Creationism, and maybe thinking that evolution isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

You bear false witness implying that I said that!

What I said was for the creationists to keep their FALSE SCIENCE out of the public arena.

859 posted on 02/08/2005 8:42:59 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Jaysun; js1138; shubi; Ichneumon; houeto
Could you please explain how species 'A' gives rise to species 'B1' and 'B2'?

How? random mutation to genetic information contained in the gametogenitor cells and inherited by the offspring, repeated a great number of times over time (random mutations occur at fairly predictable rates, given enough time and a large enough population) in geographically separated subpopulations of the original species, giving rise to filial lines sufficiently divergent from each other that interbreeding is no longer possible, eventually leading to sufficient genetic divergence between these daughter populations and the original species to render P-to-F interbreeding also impossible.

repeat, over and over again, and you end up with enormously divergent (ie: fully speciated) daughter lines descended from the same parent species.

860 posted on 02/08/2005 8:42:59 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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