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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Liberal Classic
Howdy LS!

You believe that bacteria spread because they evolve resistance to antibiotics and become more fit to survive?

161 posted on 02/08/2005 6:49:47 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: stremba

The evolution arguement is such that time explains everything. Yes a man and a maple tree are 2 completely types of organisms, why is this? Because 2 billion years passed by! Isn't it obvious when you notice you are not sprouting leaves and the tree is! Billions and billions I tell you , man!


162 posted on 02/08/2005 6:50:45 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Mamzelle
We see the chihuahua, and the Great Dane. All dogs.

But they're no longer *WOLVES*.

Is that clue phone ringing yet?

163 posted on 02/08/2005 6:50:59 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: HankReardon
When a species had to develop a defense measure to keep from being wiped out by predators this susposedly took millions of years, they must have been in hiding wating for armor, wings, poison glands or whatever to develop.

What nonsense. By this "logic", anyone who observed a modern hunter would conclude that humans have always had guns -- it would be ridiculous to imaging generation after starveling generation waiting for them to be invented.

164 posted on 02/08/2005 6:52:49 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Mamzelle
Speciation is the question here--not that animals change.

If this change goes on for long enough, you get an animal significatly different than its ancestor.

165 posted on 02/08/2005 6:52:52 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic

Developing tolerance is a far cry from speciating. I love that word. Would one who speciates be known as a speciator?


166 posted on 02/08/2005 6:53:01 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Jaysun
Then he (HE) made man in his image.

Let me ask you, and I'm serious about this question because I don't know.

Did God simply snap his fingers to create a physical earth, or did he make it in layers?

And did He simply think an adult Adam into existance? Or did he create Adam as an infant, and then nurture him into adulthood by teaching him how to hunt and survive?

What about Eve?

Did God instruct her on how to procreate?

Did He help Eve physically deliver Cane and Abel, and even cut the umbilicle cord, since there were no doctors around to help?

And where did Cane and Abel find wives to marry?

How was it that a city East of Eden was already formed when Adam and Eve were the only ones God created?

I'm serious about some of these questions, and when I read these comments on FR claiming some inside knowledge as to how this amazing universe came into being, my curiosity is peaked and I want to know more.

167 posted on 02/08/2005 6:53:54 AM PST by Edit35
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To: HankReardon
The evolution arguement is such that time explains everything.

No, it isn't, but thank you so much for repeating that creationist canard.

Yes a man and a maple tree are 2 completely types of organisms, why is this?

Why are they "2 completely types"? Could we have that in English?

Because 2 billion years passed by!

No, because of the action of evolutionary processes. Time alone doesn't do a lot.

Isn't it obvious when you notice you are not sprouting leaves and the tree is! Billions and billions I tell you , man!

The astute reader will note what goofy "arguments" the anti-evolutionists make, and how they fail to even attempt to address the mountains of scientific evidence on the subject...

Here, Hank, have a cookie. Now run and play with your friends.

168 posted on 02/08/2005 6:54:16 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: steve-b

I get ya! And the animals that were being hunted developed defenses to protect them from the technological advancements of the hunter.


169 posted on 02/08/2005 6:54:59 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: patriot_wes
Somewhere along the line the hippo "lost" 8 chromosomes, or is it the whale "gained" them.

How many does a 65 Ford Mustang have?
170 posted on 02/08/2005 6:55:02 AM PST by jps098
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To: HankReardon
Developing tolerance is a far cry from speciating. I love that word. Would one who speciates be known as a speciator?

We'll just call you Mr. Specious.

171 posted on 02/08/2005 6:55:11 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
"But they're no longer *WOLVES*. Is that clue phone ringing yet?"

They are all canines and can still mate. Wolves for all practical purposes are just a wild dog.

172 posted on 02/08/2005 6:56:03 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Ichneumon

I'll say it again, wolves and dogs are the same species, they have exactly the same DNA structure.


173 posted on 02/08/2005 6:56:13 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Jaysun

I don't see any conflict between science and religion. The Lord created the heavens and the earth and life. But the law as written down by Moses doesn't go into great detail in explaining the mechanisms. The Creator gave us a brain, I believe with the intention that we use it.


174 posted on 02/08/2005 6:57:41 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: jps098
Somewhere along the line the hippo "lost" 8 chromosomes, or is it the whale "gained" them.

Technically speaking, neither. See my post #37, starting at the sentence, "Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes"...

Chromosomes tend to undergo fission and fusion, but the genetic material doesn't magically "appear" or get "lost", it just gets repackaged.

175 posted on 02/08/2005 6:57:46 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: HankReardon
I'll say it again, wolves and dogs are the same species, they have exactly the same DNA structure.

A wise man once said, "never argue with a fool, bet him money". How much money would you like to wager on your claim?

176 posted on 02/08/2005 6:58:36 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: RaceBannon
No one was there to observe, measure, or take notes regarding the above process.

OK, there's one person who believes that if nobody reports seeing it, then it didn't happen.

For Johnny Cochran & Co, finding you would be "one down, eleven to go".

177 posted on 02/08/2005 6:58:39 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: HankReardon

Two animals with exactly the same DNA structure are identical twins.


178 posted on 02/08/2005 6:58:41 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: MojoWire
I'm serious about some of these questions, and when I read these comments on FR claiming some inside knowledge as to how this amazing universe came into being, my curiosity is peaked and I want to know more.

MojoWire,
This will require some time and I have to run for a bit. I'll be back in an hour or two. Until then, I'd like to simply point out that scripture tells us who created, not how. How is pretty much irrelevant if you accept the Bible as truth and God as real. However, there are some reasonable explanations to your questions. Just give me a few.....
179 posted on 02/08/2005 7:00:12 AM PST by Jaysun (Nefarious deeds for hire.)
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To: DannyTN
["But they're no longer *WOLVES*. Is that clue phone ringing yet?"]

They are all canines and can still mate.

So can lions and tigers -- are you going to claim that they're the same species? Warning, this is a trick question for anyone who doesn't know a lot about the relevant biology. Yes, that would be you.

Wolves for all practical purposes are just a wild dog.

What exactly are these "practical purposes" of which you speak?

And no, wolves are not "just wild dogs". Nor are dogs "just tamed wolves".

180 posted on 02/08/2005 7:00:55 AM PST by Ichneumon
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