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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: RaceBannon; DannyTN; PatrickHenry; shubi
Thqat Darwin Refuted site is just awsome!!

Why, do you really *enjoy* horse manure that much? And yes, I can document that assessment to any level of detail you'd like.

Let's look at one of the opening paragraphs, for example:

Yet the fossil has absolutely no connection with the whale. Its skeleton turned out to be a four-footed structure, similar to that of common wolves. It was found in a region full of iron ore, and containing fossils of such terrestrial creatures as snails, tortoises, and crocodiles. In other words, it was part of a land stratum, not an aquatic one.
This is just.... moronic. Yes, "its skeleton turned out to be a four-footed structure" -- THAT'S THE FREAKING POINT. That in no way supports their opening claim that "the fossil has absolutely no connection with the whale", and only an idiot (or an anti-evolutionist propagandist, but I repeat myself) would think that it did.

Even more jaw-droppingly stupid is the next sentence: "It was found in a region full of iron ore," (um, yeah, so f***ing what?) "and containing fossils of such terrestrial creatures as snails, tortoises, and crocodiles. In other words, it was part of a land stratum, not an aquatic one."

EARTH TO IDIOTS: snails, tortoises, and especially CROCODILES are SEMI-AQUATIC, you MORONS. How many crocodiles have you seen living in terrain *NOT* on the shore of some river, lake, or ocean?

For pete's sake, just how STUPID are these people? Crocodiles et al live PARTLY IN THE WATER, PARTLY ON LAND -- and gosh, SO DID THE ANCESTRAL WHALE being discussed. So by what brain fart did these imbeciles manage to take the presence of *crocodiles* as somehow a "disproof" of the scenario that the ancestral whale found in the same spot had a similar way of life?

The mind *boggles* at the ability of the anti-creationists to MISS THE POINT so badly.

And how can you be so enamored with such nonsense as to call it "just awsome"? Most gradeschool kids could have made more sense than that web page.

101 posted on 02/08/2005 6:09:10 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: shubi; MojoWire
Because conmen like Ken Ham and Henry Morris have convinced a bunch of hick pastors that their misinterpretation of Scripture is correct. These hick pastors then pass this nonsense down to their followers who trust them. It is sad.

And not just their "misinterpretation of Scripture" -- they work overtime at misrepresenting science as well.

102 posted on 02/08/2005 6:10:08 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: SubSailor

Perhaps you should refrain from name-calling if you are truly a Bible believing Christian.


103 posted on 02/08/2005 6:10:09 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: HankReardon
There's a log in my eye? I think not, I mean I would know if I had a remnant of a deceased distant relative in my eye.

Apparently not, actually.

104 posted on 02/08/2005 6:10:37 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: HankReardon

What species will human kind become? Evolution works both ways, don't just look to the past, look to the future. What will the squirrel become? What will the bald eagle become?


105 posted on 02/08/2005 6:11:26 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Jaysun

"I don't want to argue this at length. I don't subscribe to your idea and you don't subscribe to mine. We're even."

No we are not even. I am a biologist and you are not. I am a Biblical scholar and you are not.


106 posted on 02/08/2005 6:11:42 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Ichneumon

Ping


107 posted on 02/08/2005 6:15:17 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

Being a Biblical scholar, are there parts of the Bible you consider to be merely figurative?


108 posted on 02/08/2005 6:15:22 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon
I know, just an evolutionary jaunt away from the canine linage and I'd be able to lick my own balls!

But then you'd never come here to post, and we'd miss you...

109 posted on 02/08/2005 6:15:47 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: shubi

LOL!!

You missedit again!!

For over a century, evolutionists have been tellng us that whales came from the ancestor of the hippo, now they are telling us that hippos came from the whales ancestor!

And what I said earlier is still valid, you guys must think people are stupid or something, but dont you dare call it science.


110 posted on 02/08/2005 6:16:14 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Ichneumon
I've had it up to *here* with arrogant know-nothings.

Oh yeah? Well ... you got no evidence!!!
</creationism mode>

111 posted on 02/08/2005 6:16:20 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Ichneumon
The retrovirus remnats show that graffiti as well as text is inherited and leaves a tree structure. They could be called "Kilroy Traces" perhaps.
112 posted on 02/08/2005 6:16:30 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Jaysun
What proof do we have that a species can make a dramatic change into a completely different species over any period of time, no matter how long?

If God has a hand in the affairs of men, then why is it so hard to believe that God also has a hand in the affairs of animals?

God is the creator and author of the universe. If, as the Bible says, God knows the number of hairs on a man's head, and that nary a bird can fall from the sky without His knowledge, then why can you not accept that God also might have a hand in forming the traits of animals over a long period of time?

Where does it say in the Bible that God created animals which will never change one little bit?

113 posted on 02/08/2005 6:16:40 AM PST by Edit35
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To: shubi
No we are not even. I am a biologist and you are not. I am a Biblical scholar and you are not.

My flippant remark is the only thing in that post you cared to respond to? Don't want to tackle the whole "species don't dramatically transform - but they did" thing? Leave me alone.
114 posted on 02/08/2005 6:17:12 AM PST by Jaysun (Nefarious deeds for hire.)
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To: shubi
No we are not even. I am a biologist and you are not. I am a Biblical scholar and you are not.

My flippant remark is the only thing in that post you cared to respond to? Don't want to tackle the whole "species don't dramatically transform - but they did" thing? Leave me alone.
115 posted on 02/08/2005 6:17:13 AM PST by Jaysun (Nefarious deeds for hire.)
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To: general_re

I am touched!


116 posted on 02/08/2005 6:17:16 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon

How will the environment in the future be different from what it is currently? In what ways are the current anatomy and physiology of humans, squirrels, etc. insufficient to deal with these future environmental changes? If there are no environmental changes that a species can't deal with, then there's no selection pressure and therefore no major changes to a species. If there is a selection pressure, then the nature of that pressure must be known in order to determine the result of evolution of that species.


117 posted on 02/08/2005 6:17:41 AM PST by stremba
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To: Ichneumon

What is really frustrating is their ability to attack science with no scientific evidence whatsoever.

Even Bible interpretations take more knowledge than the AIG or ICR attacks on science. It just illustrates the sad state of affairs in science education.


118 posted on 02/08/2005 6:17:58 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Yeah! What he said! And also, it takes one to know one!


119 posted on 02/08/2005 6:18:00 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Jaysun; shubi
If you're not claiming that a species can make a dramatic change into a completely different species over time, then what are you claiming?

I think he's objecting to your "dramatic change" phrasing. While the end result XX million years down the road may look "dramatically" different from its distant ancestor, the phrase "dramatic *change*" sounds too much like the folks who expect that if evolution were true it would have to work by at some point having "a fish give birth to an elephant" or somesuch.

The actual *change* at any given point (i.e. generation to generation) is actually not very "dramatic" at all. It's only in the long run that all the smaller changes accumulate to the point of something "dramatically" modified from where it may have started.

120 posted on 02/08/2005 6:18:02 AM PST by Ichneumon
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