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To: skellmeyer
If you want to fight every Christian who says your an idiot for using contraception, you've got a lot of fighting to do.

No, but any "Christian" who insults my wife by calling her a whore is going to require medical assistance when I'm through with him.

As for the ephebophilia/homosexuality scandal, so wow - you can find about 5% of Catholic priests who are doing what 85% of lay Christians are doing: acting out sexual deviancy.

No, I can point out that not only did a certain percentage of Catholic priests act in this manner, but that significant portions of the Church hierarchy protected them and did nothing to get rid of the priests who victimized the innocent.

The major difference is only the choice of sex partners - you choose to act in a heterosexual contraceptive manner, they choose to act in a homosexual contraceptive manner. Either way, you're just masturbating inside of someone else, so how is this a point in your favor?

Well, unlike the priests we're talking about, I've never raped a little boy. Nor have I ever aided and abetted another in doing so.

If you can't see the moral difference between using contraception and raping an altar boy, all I have to say to you is "Shh!! The adults are talking here."

What has the Pope done to stop it? He has taught again and again that this evil will destroy the one who perpetrates it. And it has. Look at all those who act contraceptively, whether homosexually or heterosexually

That's it? The RCC hierarchy aids and abets the rape of little children and all the Pope can do is sternly wag his finger?

95 posted on 02/07/2005 12:45:08 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Modernman
No, but any "Christian" who insults my wife by calling her a whore is going to require medical assistance when I'm through with him.

Well, then stop insulting your wife by using contraceptives. You're the one whose demeaning her by treating her as if her fertility was a disease that needs medical treatment, so disgusting you have to wear rubber before you'll touch her.

No, I can point out that not only did a certain percentage of Catholic priests act in this manner, but that significant portions of the Church hierarchy protected them and did nothing to get rid of the priests who victimized the innocent.

Dude, I can do better than that. I'm writing a book showing that the American bishops taught American Catholics how to use contraceptives through the way they treated us since Vatican I. Again, so what? You want to claim that the Orthodox are better because your bishops are more consistently asses than ours by supporting divorce and contraception actively instead of just passively?

If you can't see the moral difference between using contraception and raping an altar boy, all I have to say to you is "Shh!! The adults are talking here."

If you can't see that using contraception and raping little boys are both mortal sins, then all I have to say is "I'll be quiet - I hate to interrupt pagans in conversation."

98 posted on 02/07/2005 12:51:28 PM PST by skellmeyer
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