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>> But whatever happens to them & their descendants, the 2LoT says they'll all need to eat to survive.

Forget the eating thing, that's a Micro point and I'm talking Macro. lets look at the big picture.

>> There's no reason to think that it takes any more energy to reproduce with mutations than without.

The Fallacy is that mutations can account for "Rust turning into Bicycles". I took a Book (If memory serves) called "Statistics and Evolution a practical approach" and used the calculations (By a scientist who believed evolution by the way) and built a calculation based on the number of mutations necessary to go from a paramecium, to a human, the book also had odds of a mutation being beneficial, dominant, non fatal, useful, all sorts of good stuff. I programmed this into three mainframe computers (hey they were the biggest, and best I could get to in those days) and ran the program, crashed all three of them trying to figure the odds of that happening "Naturally"

BTW the number of atoms in the earth is 8.87 x 10 to the 49th power

When the odds against something being true reach staggering proportions, apply a Occam's razor and shave years off of your process. (It ain't true)

>> But whatever happens to them & their descendants, the 2LoT says they'll all need to eat to survive.
Forget the eating thing, that's a Micro point and I'm talking Macro. lets look at the big picture.

Translation: "Forget that 2nd law of Thermodynamics thing that I had said before." Understood. Completely.

The Fallacy is that mutations can account for "Rust turning into Bicycles".

And the people who claim that "rust turns into bicycles" would be...?

I took a Book (If memory serves) called "Statistics and Evolution a practical approach" and used the calculations (By a scientist who believed evolution by the way) and built a calculation based on the number of mutations necessary to go from a paramecium, to a human, the book also had odds of a mutation being beneficial, dominant, non fatal, useful, all sorts of good stuff. I programmed this into three mainframe computers (hey they were the biggest, and best I could get to in those days)

3 Mainframe computers couldn't handle large numbers, eh? That would place your experiment at least 30 years ago I'd say. So, how many genes did you assume for the paramecium & for humans? What kinds of mutation did you allow in your calculations? Duplications, for instance? And did you allow for the fact that a modern paramecium is just as far removed from the last common ancestor as humans are? How many mutations did you assume could exist simultaneously in the respective populations? IOW, did you know that each human on Earth has something like 3 mutations in our DNA which our parents don't have?

Seriously, It'd be fascinating to see your work if you still have the printouts & source code.

and ran the program, crashed all three of them trying to figure the odds of that happening "Naturally"

Don't you hate when that happens? Yep, I bet they started smoking too, and their lights kept a'blinkin faster & brighter, and the line printer started spitting out paper & bouncing up and down, and it started emitting a startling stream of beeps & blips & screeches, and the technicians all started running out of the building in terror!

That happened on The Prisoner when Number 6 stumped the prison's brand new supercomputer by typing in "W-H-Y". And IIRC there was a Tarzan episode like that, too. And of course who could forget the classic Desk Set! ;-)