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France Calls for Fresh Start in Relations with U.S.
Yahoo News ^ | Feb 7 | Matthew Bigg

Posted on 02/07/2005 7:44:09 AM PST by metalmanx2j

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To: WoofDog123

You are right that France is concerned about their Muslim immigration, and they need us to protect them the way we've protected ourselves and the world. It's the passive nature of the French to look the other way as the Muslim population grows to alarming purportions, and France can't defend itself retroactively.


41 posted on 02/07/2005 8:11:23 AM PST by peacebaby ("...please refrain from impugning my integrity." Dr. Condoleezza Rice, 1/18/05)
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To: metalmanx2j
Translation: Sacre bleu! Zee Americanz ztill are not buying zee wine!

Screw the French and the German who rode them in.

42 posted on 02/07/2005 8:11:51 AM PST by dfrussell
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To: metalmanx2j
From the many responses I read up to this point I can see now why this administration does not take advise from us.

What ever pleasure that may come from getting back at somebody is short lived. This administration has an agenda. If being nice does not interfere with that agenda, they will be nice. This is not the same as "kiss anyones butt."

Case in point, how this administration has treated his opponents, Democrats in general, and the Kennedys and Clinton in particular.

Many on this forum want to go the scorch earth route, and punish all real and imagine slights. This administration has for the most part taken the high road (publicly).

Why take this approach? First, the President is not a dictator, he needs to convince people that his solutions are the correct one and one way of doing that is presenting his arguments to the public for their support.

Public image is shaped by what? Big media and by one each individual observes on their own.

This administration knew upon entering office, the megaphone of big media would take anything he did or said and give it the most negative spin possible. So by being nice to the Clintons, and the Kennedys (and accepting the French offer at face value) this administration remains above reproach, while behind the scenes where the real work is done, they are doing what they have to do to move their agenda forward.

Are the French sincere, who knows. But if playing kissy face moves the agenda along, why complain?

I belive if President Bush had gone after the Clintons the way many on this forum wanted, that is, if he appeared to be the "mean spirited" Republican that the left paints him as, one of the many manufacturered scandals in the first term could have hurt him, as it is, the American people looked at President Bush, and looked at the Democrats and decided they would believe him over them.

When you take the high road and there comes a time when people must take your word over someone else they will belive you.

The question is whether you would rather move your agenda along towards completion, or get down in the sewer with your opponent. This administration has shown that by not getting down to their level, he is winning.

43 posted on 02/07/2005 8:12:08 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: peacebaby

"It's the passive nature of the French to look the other way as the Muslim population grows to alarming purportions, and France can't defend itself retroactively."

We are just lucky our primary labor importation zone isn't muslim. Our government shows no desire to do so either.


44 posted on 02/07/2005 8:13:41 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: metalmanx2j
both sides have much to contribute to a renewed transatlantic partnership

All they can bring to the "partnership" is the whine, the cheese and the white flag.

Maybe they should learn the American practice of using acronyms

YKMA, Michel

45 posted on 02/07/2005 8:14:21 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: metalmanx2j

Wasn't Chirac facing criminal charges prior to being elected in as Pres?


46 posted on 02/07/2005 8:15:00 AM PST by Puckster
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To: metalmanx2j
What part of we're no longer interested don't they understand?

It's too late to keep helping Saddam, and the fighting and heavy lifting is over.

What can France do that's worth anything? I know sent Iraq all your excess wine!

47 posted on 02/07/2005 8:15:32 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: wolfpat

Not only French wine makers, but French art is in trouble. American galleries aren't moving their French art. And you know the elite liberals didn't boycot French wines or French art. It's the conservatives' power that has brought down Frency exports. Again, power of the masses!


48 posted on 02/07/2005 8:16:22 AM PST by peacebaby ("...please refrain from impugning my integrity." Dr. Condoleezza Rice, 1/18/05)
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To: Zacs Mom

Where's the Coast Guard?


49 posted on 02/07/2005 8:16:34 AM PST by Puckster
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To: metalmanx2j
New book.
Our Oldest Enemy

Hint:
It's not the Soviet Union...

50 posted on 02/07/2005 8:17:12 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: metalmanx2j

if the french really want a fresh breeze to waft over their dealings with the US, they can start taking baths...


51 posted on 02/07/2005 8:17:56 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: WoofDog123

"We are just lucky our primary labor importation zone isn't muslim. Our government shows no desire to do so either."

You've got a point there. I'd venture to say our government might as of recent desire to control our borders. We do need to be pro-active in that issue. I can't understand why our government isn't moving on this issue.


52 posted on 02/07/2005 8:18:15 AM PST by peacebaby ("...please refrain from impugning my integrity." Dr. Condoleezza Rice, 1/18/05)
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To: metalmanx2j

Regardless of any repaired relations..........CONTINUE THE BOYCOTT!


53 posted on 02/07/2005 8:18:34 AM PST by Puckster
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To: dfrussell
"Translation: Sacre bleu! Zee Americanz ztill are not buying zee wine!"

I don't think they've been buying the wine, at least not in large quantities. In my opinion, California wines are superior anyway. Sadly though, there are probably just as many nut cases in CA as there in France.

54 posted on 02/07/2005 8:18:49 AM PST by davisfh
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To: metalmanx2j
But Washington must understand the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is central and there will be no progress toward democracy in the Middle East unless it is addressed, he said.

Recycled bull's food.

55 posted on 02/07/2005 8:20:29 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

" Recycled bull's food."

Or..........Ovine Salsa, more commonly known as "Sheep Dip".


56 posted on 02/07/2005 8:21:55 AM PST by Puckster
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To: An.American.Expatriate

And the French have been disloyal to this "alliance" since at least the 1960s.

They need to show they're interesting in rapprochement with some significant acts, not a few words. I'm not holding my breath waiting.


57 posted on 02/07/2005 8:24:46 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Are the French sincere, who knows.

Me. they are not.

There is no money in it.

58 posted on 02/07/2005 8:25:39 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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To: Puckster

at sea?

;^)


59 posted on 02/07/2005 8:26:36 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Anti-Bush sentiment swills around the Rat Party like the contents of an open sewer)
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To: peacebaby

" I can't understand why our government isn't moving on this issue."
The only thought i have to offer is 'follow the money.' I can only conclude that it is deemed more important to keep fast movement (including illegal) of people, goods, and controlled substance over the border. A genuinely controlled border would make illegal immigration (i.e. entry with neither visa nor passport) much more difficult, greatly slow legal commerce, and greatly impede the importation of substances for one of the biggest retail items in the country.


60 posted on 02/07/2005 8:27:19 AM PST by WoofDog123
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