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To: Smartaleck; scripter; DirtyHarryY2K; EdReform; little jeremiah
"The question remains....what will your kids do when they encounter a homosexual?

Thanks to the T.V. and the radio
my children already know.
Except there is one difference;
my church and I told them what to do.
Not some non-family member or someone following a devious
agenda.
I taught my children that this was and abomination to GOD.
They also know the first chapter of Romans by heart.
That people that espouse this behavior became futile in
there thinking and their senseless minds were darkened.
Claiming to be wise they became fools.
They know what Ham did, and what he and his grandson
Nimrod and Semiramis did in the temples of Babylon.
They know the whole wicked plot.
As far as going nuts when they encounter one,
that is just Leftist propaganda to teach my children that
God's instructions and common sense is a lie.
My children are taught not to treat them as an enemy
but to have nothing to do with them.
If approached concerning homosexual behavior (propositioned or general conversation)they are to warn them as believers.
Least they become like them.
No matter what the LEFT demands we are not to
turn or backs on GOD and his word.

BTW: How did mankind ever survive 4000 years
without being taught that sodomy was normal.
I guess the intellectual giants in their quest to
save mankind have finally found a way;
by killing them all.
314 posted on 02/08/2005 11:14:08 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla; scripter; DirtyHarryY2K; EdReform; little jeremiah; moog
"Thanks to the T.V. and the radio my children already know.
Except there is one difference; my church and I told them what to do."

Thank you for your obviously thoughtful and complete response.

My kids have had a similar experience and when it comes to matters of a moral nature I believe it should begin at home. It's too bad that many parents, apparently, either can't or won't address such issues. It is for this reason that the schools and other institutions felt it necessary to explain homosexuality, and other topics that are of a "personal" or moral nature.

Is it right for them to do that? Well, if their job is to educate or impart knowledge and information, then, yes they need to do that. The difficulty arises when different people disagree on just what that information should be, how much and at what age.....the teaching of biology and reproduction for example.

The matter becomes even more controversial when the educators don't stop at merely imparting information, but they feel they must also apply their values and opinions on the subject matter. Doesn't matter if it's sex education, history, politics, the environment etc.

The matter is further complicated by different people having different notions about what is "age appropriate" and the attending content. We elect people to make those decisions an hopefully they do so in an informed way. Too bad there is no best way or time for any given child. It is for this reason, or because something might be at odds with a parent's belief system, that schools must give the parents the option to opt their kids out of such instruction.

In some respects it's like deciding at what age a kid should have a drivers license? For some kids 16 is fine, they are mature enough to handle the responsibility. For others, well, they may never be responsible no matter how old they are. Either way, if the "set age" proves to be inappropriate the community needs to work to change it.

As you rightly point out, TV, and other parts of society I would add, too often expose our children to matters that they shouldn't be exposed too, at least not before they have developed or reached some age of maturity when they can better understand the subject and process it an informed manner.

All that being said, yes there are educators, the NEA, administrators, elected officials and others, who do wish to foist their agenda and values on society and it's wrong. Are all teachers a part of that agenda? No they aren't nor are the laws regarding education in each state the same which is why I take exception to the notion posited in this thread that all schools are out of control or all teachers are incompetent.

It's not just the education system either. Businesses, gov't etc. now all have harassment policies and mostly for liability purposes have to expend a great deal of money "educating" employees. While there is some merit in explaining why it's wrong to harass women for example, too often the subject goes way beyond original intent and tries to impart someone else's value system on employees. At the same time there are people who don't hesitate to exploit the policy. For example a woman who claims she was harassed because some guy said her hair looked nice as opposed to you don't get a promotion unless you do something immoral. The litigious society that we are, the sometimes goofy courts and sometimes goofy juries give legitimacy to the most trivial of charges and the whole process of evaluating what must be done to prevent lawsuits starts all over again.

Schools get caught up in the same types of litigation. Teachers spend an inordinate amount of time, in my opinion, worrying about who is going to sue them. Some complaints are valid, but many aren't. I suggest that if teachers don't spend enough time teaching the three r's, in large part is the parents fault, not the teachers and not the system they have to work in. Parents are largely responsible for the problem and parents are largely responsible for fixing it.

It's like the dumbing down of America. Who caused it? The people buying the education. The system is offering up what the consumer has asked for....everybody's kid should get A's. LOL

On this last point, when Bush was gov. he tried to push the decision making down to the local level and encourage teachers to take the initiative to provide a quality product. He further changed the state's testing system to one that was "more difficult" but, in theory anyway, was a measure of what kids learned in school. (The opposite of dumbing down, a smartening up if you will.) Of course the first scores to come in were relatively poor in many cases because kids had been educated under a system that expected less. Gore and others didn't hesitate to jump on these scores and point them out as an indication of how poor the TX education system was when in fact the exact opposite was true!

Point is, changes aren't easy. It takes a strong leader to make changes, to take bold steps and they need the support of the community if they are to succeed. A community that participates can help make the changes needed, whether they themselves have kids in school or not....no different from any other political process. If people don't vote, participate, they vote by their inaction and they may not like the outcome.

That's my opinion and I would welcome any teacher who might have a more informed one to comment.
321 posted on 02/09/2005 4:54:26 AM PST by Smartaleck (CD "Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience")
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To: DaveTesla
Even though the homosexual agenda is doing all it can to get the attention of our children via covert messages and television programs, they're still innocent because we keep a tight reign on what they see and hear.

Our kids watch less than an hour of television each month. Last year I decided to let them watch an old black and white Tom and Jerry cartoon, thinking it was harmless. Well, it was, but the commercials weren't. I just so happened to walk past the television during a commercial and caught a reference to homosexuality. The homosexual agenda never sleeps.

Our kids harbor no resentment towards anyone, and if they see somebody having a bad day, they ask if they could pray for them. They're incredible kids. We fill them in on the issues as necessary and because we do what we can to protect their minds, they will not be indoctrinated from influential groups with complex social agenda aimed at their lives. For the most part, they are still very innocent.

323 posted on 02/09/2005 5:17:50 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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