[Hank Rearden]

15% of your payroll goes to Social Security. 15% PERCENT!!! If you want a retirement you pay for it AFTER. It's the Democrats in congress that perpetuate this Ponzi scheme and call it a "safety net."

And it's Bush who wants to keep this fraud around and "fix" it. It needs to be shut down, and we need to prosecute and imprison anybody perpetuating the conspiracy to continue this scam.

[GVnana]

It's not going to happen. There's a certain percentage of the public who will never, voluntarily, save a dime. They create a huge financial burden on the rest of us when they age. We're not going to let them rot.

To prevent this eventuality, in my mind it would be most fair to simply require a minimum annual pension savings. You can invest on your own, or stick with the SS-style program.

At least the rest of us who plan for our futures won't be penalized by those who don't. Right now, it's the other way around.