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Suddenly, It's 'America Who?'
New York Times ^ | 2/6/05 | Dexter Filkins

Posted on 02/05/2005 5:30:16 PM PST by saquin

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To: saquin

Quick, somebody send the police to the NYT building, some sane person is impersonating a New York Times writer.


61 posted on 02/05/2005 9:00:22 PM PST by Larry381
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To: liberty2004

Typical projection: "Rightwingers are fascists" is rabidly asserted by fascistic-behaving ill-liberals who have psychotic episodes whenever they hear the word "GOD" or the concept "moral values".

According to Professor Churchill (a pariah in the news) aren't all working Americans "little Eichmanns"? Now, there's an example of *allegedly superior* liberal thinking.

The only active fascism I am aware of is fanatical ACLU activism. "Out damn Christian logos in public places!" Little bitty crosses are so very offensive to neurotic atheists!


62 posted on 02/05/2005 9:04:44 PM PST by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: dirtboy

You are correct despite the objections. This article is a masterful piece of the propaganda of omission. They learned their wordcraft quite well.


63 posted on 02/05/2005 9:25:16 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: saquin

I don't believe the NYT wrote this.Where did you find it?
:)


64 posted on 02/05/2005 10:03:15 PM PST by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: dirtboy
Quite frankly, we are at war with the the MSM. This country lost Vietnam because the left ended up winning the battle of images and impressions. We cannot let that happen again in Iraq. And a key part of the left agenda is to downplay the triumphs so that the bad days don't seem worth the trouble.

Excellent point. Those who forget the war with the MSM are doomed to defeat. We must remember that those effing arsewoles get PAID for a 40+ hour week, undermining Western Civilization and p*ssing on our troops.

66 posted on 02/05/2005 10:26:01 PM PST by an amused spectator (Zogbyism is a disease)
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To: scars; SedVictaCatoni
I guess I'm not as informed on U.S. history as I thought. I still, however, think that we have been the most benevolent of any "super power" in history. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

One of the major causes of World War Two was the vengeance taken by France after World War One. IMO the vengeance taken by Russia after World War Two might have precipitated a third World War if it had not been for the tempering influence of the United States, which helped its enemies up off their backs rather than kicking them in the face while they were down - the self-indulgence of a true bully.

Most countries that are not the United States are bullies at heart.

67 posted on 02/05/2005 10:39:18 PM PST by an amused spectator (Zogbyism is a disease)
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To: scars

The most well known example of fascism was that of the National Socialist German Workers' (Nazi) Party in WWII Germany. Under an environmentalist, feminist, pagan, neo-Roman dictator who was in favor of animal "rights" and "free love," the media and business were controlled by his centralized government.


68 posted on 02/06/2005 2:17:33 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: scars

I do agree, though, that many capital letters for emphasis of anger are unbecoming.


69 posted on 02/06/2005 2:24:20 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: dirtboy

See what you started?
This whole magilla went "off the rails".
Turns out we are just a buncha right wing lunatics with mis-placed hopes,expectations and over-developed notions about pert near everything...and we don't know jack about HISTORY!
That we tolerate folks with hidden agendas, demented ideas, anti-social scores to settle and some just needing a big hug will be held against us.
As much as we would like it to be, IT is nowhere close to being over,,,over there,over here or anywhere else.
Your spark of care seems to be what counts...without which a flame of Vigilence might not etc., etc.
Now! Let's all march around the breakfast table!


70 posted on 02/06/2005 2:44:58 AM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95

ADD: That was yesterday anyway. Just wait till you hear what the dear old MSM has been doing with the Eason Jordan mess.


71 posted on 02/06/2005 2:58:09 AM PST by CBart95
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To: saquin
It's their country. Hope we'll be good friends. It's tremendously exciting watching Iraq being born anew.
72 posted on 02/06/2005 3:05:44 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: saquin

We remove our hand from the back of the bike.


73 posted on 02/06/2005 3:10:37 AM PST by hershey
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To: Soul Seeker

And I'll go back to the first part of my question - "Where in this article?" - where in this case was at the very end, typical of the Slimes. Downplay at the beginning, belittle in the middle, and if you must praise, praise at the end.


74 posted on 02/06/2005 4:00:57 AM PST by dirtboy (.)
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To: dirtboy

"Quite frankly, we are at war with the the MSM. This country lost Vietnam because the left ended up winning the battle of images and impressions. We cannot let that happen again in Iraq. And a key part of the left agenda is to downplay the triumphs so that the bad days don't seem worth the trouble."

You just said it ALL in about 50 words!!
I would like to chisel these words on the door at the NYT!!


75 posted on 02/06/2005 4:31:51 AM PST by international american (Tagline wanted.......must be fireproof.........will pay cash.)
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To: dirtboy

" a willingness to balance good with bad"

Yes. Water down the truth so the Americans are rendered neutral, or "tolerable". I would like to punch this sinister propagandist in the teeth!!


76 posted on 02/06/2005 4:38:15 AM PST by international american (Tagline wanted.......must be fireproof.........will pay cash.)
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To: an amused spectator; dirtboy

"Those who forget the war with the MSM are doomed to defeat. We must remember that those effing arsewoles get PAID for a 40+ hour week, undermining Western Civilization and p*ssing on our troops."

All true..it IS a war! But what can we expect when the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism, Harvard, and most of the other brand name journalism schools spit out left wing America haters like a General Motors assembly line!!
If there were any truth seekers in the MSM, Kerry would have been taken out months before the election, and exposed as a mentally unbalanced coward, and a pathological
liar. Instead, they covered for him, and he almost pulled off the unthinkable!!
The evil of the MSM has been present for half a century or more. I am 50, and I seem to recall Walter Kronkite as being the first really powerful subversive. He lied to the American people every night for over 20 years


77 posted on 02/06/2005 5:04:03 AM PST by international american (Tagline wanted.......must be fireproof.........will pay cash.)
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To: dirtboy

It was still in the article. Your argument may be two part. Mine isn't. I only want it on record there was acknowledgment of American effort. Your post did not make that clear.


78 posted on 02/06/2005 5:13:29 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: scars
*** Let's not forget that America has never tried to colonize another people or country. ***

uh... not quite.

After the Spanish American War we colonized (in no particular order):

Then there's the "US Protectorites"

And as I recall we sort of 'colonized' California.
However I do believe we should give THAT ONE back. I also recall that with some of our 'colonies' we blew them to HELL with the Atomic and Hydrogen bomb testing, like Bikini Atoll for instance.

So saying the USA doesn't, nor never did 'colonize', just isn't factually correct.

79 posted on 02/06/2005 8:40:24 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: Indie; Soul Seeker
This article is a masterful piece of the propaganda of omission.

I disagree. The main thrust of the article was that we've finally achieved through elections what we weren't able to achieve through military might or coercion-Getting everyday Iraqis to step up and take control of their own country. I think the average Iraqi would agree with this idea.

In my opinion, you won't get an article much better than this from the Times.
80 posted on 02/06/2005 11:18:05 AM PST by Blowtorch
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