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To: Dimensio

Second Law of Thermodynamics - Increased Entropy
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same (First Law), the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.
Am I and numerous others reading it wrong?? Evolution is is a constant state of evolving while our lives are actually dying.
Why don't you enlighten me...


86 posted on 02/05/2005 1:39:56 PM PST by NDGG
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To: NDGG
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same (First Law), the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

All of this within a closed system. Within an open system, additional energy useable for work can be introduced, thus keeping the entropy of the individual system from increasing or even decreasing it.

Am I and numerous others reading it wrong??

You're forgetting that it only applies in a closed system.

Evolution is is a constant state of evolving while our lives are actually dying.

No, evolution is a change in alelle frequency over time.
89 posted on 02/05/2005 1:43:35 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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Maybe you should read the second law again. The second law requires that in a closed system, energy cannot decrease. If anything, this contradicts your interpretation because the earth is by no means losing energy. The sun replenishes it continually.


100 posted on 02/05/2005 1:50:01 PM PST by risk
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Second Law of Thermodynamics - That's why my house is always dusty.


169 posted on 02/05/2005 2:55:10 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: NDGG

"Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.
Am I and numerous others reading it wrong?? "

Yes, you are reading it wrong because you don't believe in educating yourself. The second law applies to closed systems, not open systems with outside sources of energy (the sun) and a heat sink (the universe at 4 degrees).

The second law is extremely useful in experimental situations where you are trying to measure the changes in state. But an automobile engine would melt down in a closed system, it needs a radiator, a replenished O2 source, a replensihed fuel source, an exhaust pipe. Cut those things off and you've got NOTHING.

Nothing, sort of like your theory than evolution is happening in a closed bottle. This is such a major error on your part that it makes you look like a fool to people who know thermodynamics.


187 posted on 02/05/2005 3:43:37 PM PST by FastCoyote
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Am I and numerous others reading it wrong?? Evolution is is a constant state of evolving while our lives are actually dying. Why don't you enlighten me...

Impossible to enlighten you. But if you spent less money at the creationists websites and more on formal education, you might learn something other than the dumb statements that you repeat.

234 posted on 02/05/2005 5:18:49 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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The second law doesn't imply that, even in a closed system, entropy decreases can't occur. Entropy in a closed system can decrease locally, so long as there is a greater increase in entropy in some other part of the system. Defining entropy as disorder or useful energy, while making the concept intuitively easier to grasp, are not correct definitions. The correct definition is that entropy is the quotient of the heat released in a reversible prcess connecting two states and the temperature at which that heat release occurs. The sun releases a tremendous amount of heat. This heat release results in a decrease in the entropy of the sun in the amount of q/6000K, where q is the amount of heat actually released and 6000K is the temperature of the sun's surface. Simultaneously, an entropy increase of the space surrounding the sun occurs in the amount of q/3K, where q is the same value as before, and 3K is the temperature of the surrounding space. Overall, the net entropy increase in this process is 1999q/6000 (some algebra required here). Since q is a very large number (the sun releases a lot of heat), this is a very large increase in the entropy of the solar system, which to a good approximation can be considered to be a closed system. The process of evolution on earth is accompanied by a much smaller decrease in entropy, and is therefore possible since it is driven by solar energy, which as has been shown above, is produced via a process in which there is a large entropy increase. Therefore, a local entropy decrease is possible because of the increase in entropy in another part of the system.


581 posted on 02/07/2005 6:05:55 AM PST by stremba
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