To: Dimensio
" Are you saying that the mechanics of gravity are not well-known?
By mechanics, I mean the generally-accepted explanation of how it works, not necessarily why gravity exists."
No. The mechanics of gravity are well known. And I'm not about to get into some stupid 'gotcha' comparison of Newtonian physics and Relativity.
But the claims presented in some of the threads on Free Republic ( don't get me started on the Dawkins " ...given enough time, pigs will fly..." stupidity), evolution is predictive. And I'm not talking in the sense of " we see a progression of evidence in the fossil record, therefore, we predict a progression of evidence in the fossil record " crap. That is a tautology.
I want to see a definite prediction that bears fruit, i.e., starting with simple organisms, without purposeful prior selection, a demonstration of enviromental conditions forcing a change in species.
As for the trap of explaining mechanics, lets just say that the laws governing the motion of planets around the sun can predict within a rather good degree of accuracy where those planets will be 10 years from now.
To: Tench_Coxe
I want to see a definite prediction that bears fruit, i.e., starting with simple organisms, without purposeful prior selection, a demonstration of enviromental conditions forcing a change in species.Typicaly human investigators don't live long enough to observe speciation in animals. However, the rapid evolution response of bacteria to the stressor of antibiotics is a well-documented phenomenon that has been known for many years.
343 posted on
02/05/2005 8:09:54 PM PST by
Rudder
To: Tench_Coxe
No. The mechanics of gravity are well known. And I'm not about to get into some stupid 'gotcha' comparison of Newtonian physics and Relativity.
I'm not trying to pull you into that game. I'm merely pointing out that even when the mechanics of a process are known, it is not always possible to preduct the ultimate outcome of an event that will utilize that process.
And I'm not talking in the sense of " we see a progression of evidence in the fossil record, therefore, we predict a progression of evidence in the fossil record " crap. That is a tautology.
You're right. The progression of evidence in the fossil record was made after it was predicted, thus that would count as a successful prediction of the theory, not a tautology.
As for the trap of explaining mechanics, lets just say that the laws governing the motion of planets around the sun can predict within a rather good degree of accuracy where those planets will be 10 years from now.
A giant asteroid hitting one of the planets and knocking it out of orbit would falsify the prediction, but this would not falsify what we know about the laws of motion.
344 posted on
02/05/2005 8:11:00 PM PST by
Dimensio
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