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A Child Learns a Harsh Lesson in Politics
nytimes.com ^ | 02/05/05 | JULIE SALAMON

Posted on 02/05/2005 9:07:25 AM PST by Ellesu

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Experts say there is no scientific evidence that children raised by gay couples fare any worse than those raised in more traditional households.


The "experts" are pro-homosexual activist researchers who twist the data to support this conclusion.

Documenated here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=283#283

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=284#284

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=373#373

41 posted on 02/05/2005 11:37:10 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Houmatt

as a matter of law, most states do not allow or restrict "second parent" adoption to OPPOSITE sex. In most states do not allow heather to have two momies as a matter of law.

Six states do not allow homosexual adoptions. FL and Miss. do not allow it. UT to only married people can adopt which terminates any homosexuals adopting. The rest have restrictions.


Look for more of these "anecdotes" of normalcy.

Homosexuals are SICK as in ILL. Same as any other destructve sex festish.


42 posted on 02/05/2005 11:55:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: CzarNicky
If the gays did that 90% of the static most normal people have with them would not be evident. The problem normal people have with the gays is not that they are gay but that they are telling us they are gay.

I am a conservative. I agree with you. MOST of the "gay agenda" is wrong and ridiculous. I despise sexualizing children. However, what if there are gays in your community? You don't tell your children they are bad. There are plenty of straight people who are "sinning" and we need to teach our children to basically respect others.

43 posted on 02/05/2005 12:41:42 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: calex59

Good post. I agree with it not being pushed on TV or other media. However, when forced to interact with gay families, I still wish to treat them as individuals and make them feel comfortable. That's just me.


44 posted on 02/05/2005 12:44:44 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: ichabod1

You might be right. But kids living in broken hetero homes, or even intact homes where no one sees the child until after 6 pm, are not getting true parenting. I wouldn't dream of treating a child differently because his parents would rather have the nice house and goodies than spend the day with him.


45 posted on 02/05/2005 12:46:38 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: jla
I was really surprised to click on your home pg. and see that you're from California.

Hey! LOL. There are conservatives out here, and we are struggling through the trenches of enemy territory! It aint easy!

46 posted on 02/05/2005 12:47:59 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Polybius
In the old TV show, "Family Affair", Mr. French could have been Uncle Bill's bi-sexual lover on the side for all we know. Our kids don't need to know that part.

I could not agree more. (And he probably was, or wished to have been... LOL!)

In the end, when push came to shove, "Mary" only had one Mommy. She never really had two.

Sadly, the child's feelings are different from a legal status. This is not unlike the wrenching a poor little one takes when her nanny of 4 years leaves. Whoever has been actually there with the child is very special and actually PART of the child's own security. Children's security is OUTSIDE their bodies for many years. So that child got screwed when the non-bio "Mommy" left.

47 posted on 02/05/2005 12:53:44 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I agree that our tax dollars should not be spent to promote and "variety" in families. I just feel that gays existed before people started talking about it everywhere and they will exist after, and people are people. I want to treat everyone kindly.

I would like to get all sexuality back into the bedroom and off the streets. TV and movies were better when the sexy jokes had some element of mystique to them. Squirrels rutting isn't all that sexy. Kids hooking up is just squirrels rutting. We are not animals. We can do better.

I wish you luck with your daughter. Hope she will find her right path.

48 posted on 02/05/2005 12:57:54 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

That doesn't have anything to do with anything. Why do YOU make tyhe assumption they're going to be getting "true" parenting in a homohome where the incidence of alcoholism, physical abuse, fighting, sexual abuse, and broken homes are many times HIGHER than in Heterosexual homes?

And what are you suggesting anyway? That they be taken from heteros and given to homos?


49 posted on 02/05/2005 1:08:32 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: ichabod1
We don't know what is going on inside most families' homes. So I treat people nicely.

I do not assume that a homosexual set of parents are undeserving of kindness and neighborliness. I would rather my young children were kind to people than to have them discriminate between people of different kinds.

50 posted on 02/05/2005 1:12:06 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Polybius

We had some neighbor friends when I was a kid that might have been lesbos for all I know. I believe we were told they were "sisters." Where was the harm in that? Why do these people have to get in everybody's face about their disordered lives and relationships all the time. I would make the case that those who kept it to themselves in order to foster harmony were the well-adjusted ones.


51 posted on 02/05/2005 1:15:23 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: Yaelle
If you are Christian, do you think Jesus would have avoided, insulted, or denigrated these kids or their parents?

Jesus would not have done these things, but he would have told them to repent of their sins and follow him. He would have told them that their parents were leading them into a life of sin and they need to change the way they live.

If Jesus was walking the earth today, they would have arrested him and charged him with hate crimes.

If you are a Christian, I hope you are teaching your child love the person not the sin and I hope your child is teaching her friend about Jesus

My policy is hate the sin, not the person, bring them to Christ

Now back to the subject, what they want your child to know is that it's ok to have 2 moms or dads and that this lifestyle is good.

As a Christian I cannot accept this lifestyle as good for my children and teach them that. I became a Christian at age 30, but even before I became a Christian, the thought of this life style was repugnant to me and it wasn't natural and is even more so now.

52 posted on 02/05/2005 1:17:51 PM PST by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has, but the question is: Faith in What?)
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To: Two-Bits
Whose your daddy?

From the looks of the kids, 3 different frozen sperm doners.

53 posted on 02/05/2005 1:45:11 PM PST by YankeeinOkieville
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To: Yaelle
I'm not saying that we should teach children that gays should be thrown in ovens. That said That while I would teach my children to be respectful of others I would expect others to be respectful of my kids and keep their agendas in their own bedrooms where it belongs.
54 posted on 02/05/2005 1:48:08 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Polybius
In the end, when push came to shove, "Mary" only had one Mommy. She never really had two.

I hate to equivocate the two but non biological mommy sounds a lot like biological daddy except she didn't have to pay child support.

55 posted on 02/05/2005 1:51:33 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Nightshift
I'm not a Christian but we share the same basic moral values.

My problem is simply about the individuals. Actually, being around good people who live a quiet conservative life and do not wear their sexuality on their sleeve yet are gay, has made me accept them as people and as friends. What else can one do? I do not feel it's my place to make a comment about their lives, nor do I wish to keep my children away from theirs. They are good people.

I sin too, but I really don't need acquaintances coming up and pointing out my envy or sloth or whatever.

56 posted on 02/05/2005 4:25:19 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
If you are Christian, do you think Jesus would have avoided, insulted, or denigrated these kids or their parents?

I cannot say for certain what the Son of Man might have said....

But I can tell you He wouldn't lie to the parents and tell them they are doing a good job of raising their "children". Just like He wouldn't lie to the alcoholic parents..and tell them they are doing a good job.

Fwiw-

57 posted on 02/05/2005 4:34:00 PM PST by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always look as confused as a goat on Astroturf?)
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58 posted on 02/05/2005 8:50:59 PM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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59 posted on 02/06/2005 4:08:43 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: Yaelle

In the Gospel of John, Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. While I am sure that Jesus would be full of compassion for these people, I am also sure that he would tell these lesbian women to sin no more. They are engaged in acts that the Bible call abominations. They are living together without the benefit of marriage and they are raising illegitimate children. If we are to extend that principle of sin no more to these folks, Jesus would tell them to stop living together and renounce their lesbian lifestyle. One mommy would need to raise the children alone or revert to a normal sexual orientation and find a husband to help raise these children.


60 posted on 02/06/2005 4:34:27 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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