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Ugly Americans: The United States in the Eyes of Europe
Crisis Magazine ^ | February 3, 2005 | Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 02/05/2005 6:19:31 AM PST by NYer

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To: kingsurfer

The name-calling began with "the cowboy Reagan" as I recall.
But never mind. The cold fact is that the serfs of western Europe have willingly been led into a culdesac (little frenchyfrenchman lingo there) by feckless and corrupt leaders.

The antagonism of euros to America is indeed a cultural divide, one of which we should be proud. Every alcoholic bum who, too clever by half, has drunk himself out of a promising career and onto the street will grumble and disparage the neighbor who, by dint of hard work and relative discipline, has succeeded.

"Eurabia" threatens to become a struggle between two failed cultures, fighting over the remnant assets of the West, like two vagrants fighting over a sheltered spot under the bridge.


61 posted on 02/05/2005 7:10:59 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: blanknoone
All people need to answer questions like 'What is good' and 'Should I do this' just about every moment of every day of their lives. And they need a framework to answer them. That framework could be religious or philosophical in nature. The important distinction is not whether the answer to those questions is religious or not, the important thing is how those questions get answered.

This is an excellent point. However, without a 'ten commandment' framework, how does a parent guide their child to "what is right". By whose standards? Because "I say so."? It works when children are small but once they reach the teen years, they heed their own small voices and predicate their decisions on what the government schools have taught them. I am most curious to see how this plays out with some of my coworkers who are in precisely that situation.

62 posted on 02/05/2005 7:12:45 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Eurabia" threatens to become a struggle between two failed cultures.

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Europe is not a failed culture. It is myriad of entirely different ones each with their own positive and negative aspects.


63 posted on 02/05/2005 7:13:15 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: NYer
I received, for my troubles, a warm lecture about the iniquity of an America that only came into the war at the last minute, after American businessmen had made a fortune selling arms to both sides of the conflict. Clearly, I had struck a nerve.

In other words the Europeans are mad at America because we acted in this case exactly like Europeans had for centuries and continue to the present day?

64 posted on 02/05/2005 7:14:09 AM PST by thoughtomator (The Democrat party is a bribery racket)
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To: kingsurfer
No, it was only the United States.

We be da pimp daddy, yo.


65 posted on 02/05/2005 7:14:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: ghostrider
However, you are what you hang with

How true. I have some relatives who were conservative and well-balanced until they spent 15+ years in Germany. Now they have left their faith and become anti-American idiots.

Happily, my two brothers who have lived in Norway since the '70s, have managed to maintain their conservative beliefs and ideals and, hopefully, have "rubbed off" on their neighbors.

66 posted on 02/05/2005 7:14:39 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: kingsurfer
unlike the French who are rude

The French are like Javelinas. You can often smell them before you see them.

67 posted on 02/05/2005 7:15:26 AM PST by Stentor
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To: marktwain
The liberal media LOVES Marxist authority, such as Castro.

Good point! They love anything that is contrary to traditionalism.

68 posted on 02/05/2005 7:15:48 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Lazamataz

The reason people get angry when someone says "We won the war for you" is that it negates the millions of people that bravely fought for the freedom of their common man.

I am sure you are making a humourous attempt but I have been close to fist fighting with people because of their disrespect for those that did not survive those five years of hell.


69 posted on 02/05/2005 7:16:52 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer
The reason people get angry when someone says "We won the war for you" is that it negates the millions of people that bravely fought for the freedom of their common man.

So what are we gonna do about Islam, the newest form of Nazism?

70 posted on 02/05/2005 7:18:52 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: NYer
Steyn also noted that while Americans were exercising their democratic right to vote on gay marriage, Dutch police had destroyed a wall mural painted to protest the murder of Theo van Gogh, an outspoken filmmaker brutally killed by Islamic radicals for his criticism of Islam. The mural was next to a mosque and simply showed an angel with the caption, "Thou shalt not kill." After some Muslims complained that the mural was racist, the Dutch police swept in, destroyed the mural, arrested the TV journalists filming their work, and wiped their tape.

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And yet they think we're Nazis?

71 posted on 02/05/2005 7:19:07 AM PST by trisham
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To: NYer
"Walk into a French bookstore and you will find titles like, Who Is Killing France?" Chirac ?
72 posted on 02/05/2005 7:19:16 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: rlmorel
A conflict well articulated by Whittaker Chambers in "Witness".

One of my most favorite books. Horowitz, in Radical Son, also makes a powerful point about Marxists. He wrote that they don't believe in the concept of original sin. In their minds it is the system of government that is always accountable for failure or utopia. And so it is that they must destroy the notion of a God and require all citizens to submit totally to the power, justice and perfect intent of the state.

73 posted on 02/05/2005 7:20:29 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: NYer

I am an American who lives and works all over Europe. The people I come into contact with do not share his sentiments whatsoever. The people I meet are often very curious. They do not understand the games and the politics being played out in front of them...(I like those conversations the best). But As!Holes are everywhere. Every once in a while I meet one, It is just much easier for me to let them float down and around on their way out. The Euro majority find Americans to be very courageous. Furthermore, the vote in Iraq was a very big deal. So take all the Anti-US BS with a grain of salt and Pray that FOXNEWs opens up in Euroland, cause CNN International is all we get.... uuugggh

Live Free!


74 posted on 02/05/2005 7:20:49 AM PST by Paulus
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To: marty60
"We have Ted Kennedy for pete's sake, but that doesn't make ALL Americans drunken fools."

No, it doesn't. However it does prove that over 50% of the voters in Massachusetts are blooming idiots.

75 posted on 02/05/2005 7:21:18 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: kingsurfer

+ a few others.


76 posted on 02/05/2005 7:21:26 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: rogator

Your point is well taken, and we are fighting a European style culture war within our own country and hemisphere. That is another reason to hit hard and to hit now, before another "John Kerry" gets control. The Eurarabian virus has already taken hold in the Americas. It has become a fight or surrender situation. The time to deal is now and urgently now!


77 posted on 02/05/2005 7:21:49 AM PST by ghostrider
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To: quadrant

In 1995, my wife and I were in Paris and attended Mass at Notre Dame, and there were many French worshipers.

What your friend is saying indicates a big-time shift since then, unless there's some seasonal influence, where so many Americans attend that the French don't want to be there.


78 posted on 02/05/2005 7:22:31 AM PST by Marauder (I drink to make other people more interesting.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"Eurabia" threatens to become a struggle between two failed cultures, fighting over the remnant assets of the West, like two vagrants fighting over a sheltered spot under the bridge.

Nice analogy.

79 posted on 02/05/2005 7:22:49 AM PST by marktwain
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To: NYer
By whose standards?

That is a fundamentally religious question. Rather than ask 'By whose standards?' try asking 'By what standards?' and whole schools of philosophy open up to answer the question. There are lots of answers to that question, but let me just say that there are two fundamental rival schools (within philsophy) that have been duelling for millenia. Virtually all philosophy developed from either Aristotle's ideas or Platos ideas. In addition to their religious beliefs, our founding fathers were well versed in Aristotilean rooted philosophy. Virtually all of modern academic philosophy (and European) is Platonic.

80 posted on 02/05/2005 7:23:04 AM PST by blanknoone (GWB: Saying what he means and meaning what he says)
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