Infamous Idaho Killer Claude Dallas to Be Released From Prison After Nearly Two Decades

ap.tbo.com ^ | :Feb 5, 2005 | John Miller

[snarks_when_bored]

I recall in both of my Ohio police academy classes that a citizen has the legal right to resist an illegal arrest. Of course, most courts do not recognize this right.

The problem will always be, what constitutes an illegal arrest? And, in the end, only the courts (and, maybe, after discussion, legislatures) can decide that.

People do resist arrest passively, for example, anti-war protesters who force the police to pick them up and carry them away to a waiting police van. But I don't know of any instance in which aggressive action against arresting officers has been vindicated in a court of law. Can you think of one?

[Ghengis]

People do resist arrest passively, for example, anti-war protesters who force the police to pick them up and carry them away to a waiting police van. But I don't know of any instance in which aggressive action against arresting officers has been vindicated in a court of law. Can you think of one?

No, I can't recall a recent or a particular case. I do recall distant cases being cited to me in classes where this did occur. I believe the most recent case law cited was from the depression era.

Which would make sense as government powers multiplied rapidly during the New Deal politics.

[MissAmericanPie]

Well there is only one story left now. I feel sure the jury took everything into account, the harassment by an agent with a bad reputation for being a bully, the killings, and the rights of the individual to defend himself from unlawful arrest.

I think Dallas has paid his debt to society, but I suspect this isn't the end of it.

[switch61]

Whether Pogue acted prudent or not the simple fact that Dallas put a bullet in each man's head would have gotten him lethal injection in Texas. And since when are "a jury of 10 women and two men" a jury of his peers. Then there's the escape and the good behavior, what the hell is wrong with this picture. Send him down here to Texas and let him pull that crap.

[Paint Rider]

Would do you a lot of good to peak around the real world a bit. Yeah there is bad in every walk of life.

But I have walked this road for the past 23 years in various parts of the country. During that time I have found damn few that don't deserve the respect and admiration of those they serve.

As a general rule they are out-numbered and out-gunned from the get-go. Too often they are under paid-and seldom appreciated. Yet they choose to stand for something bigger than themselves-yes even Game Wardens.

So go ahead and Hoorah the likes of Claude Dallas, it is your right-The rest of us will still be there, and more good folks will fill our boots when we are gone.

[eno_]

Yet they choose to stand for something bigger than themselves-yes even Game Wardens.

Bigger things, like:

No knock raids.

Property seizure.

Disability fraud.

Do you realize the humbers I cited mean that MOST - LITERALLY MOST - not just "most in the sense of more than there should be" but a literal majority of CHP are felony-grade fraudsters.

And you admire those people?

[Paint Rider]

I hear you talking, but about what!?! If any of these folks you are referring to are violating the law, that makes them worse than the common criminal, and they ARE held to a higher standard than the common criminal.

If you have proof of wrong doing, belly up to the bar and do your part, report it, stand up to it, do your duty. What stirs my ire is I have known people all my career who make the same whiny noise I am hearing from you, then make broad statements which are inherently false and based on nothing more than emotionalism. You should remember something-these Officers are citizens too. They are freedom loving, patriotic, and have the same concerns about life in this country as you and I do. For you not to know or acknowledge that is proof enough to me that you are who and what I think you are. Don't let your emotions get away from you. You should carefully analyze your beliefs. The Officer does this every moment of his life. He does not have the luxury of hindsight. He makes split second decisions based on very little information. The same decisions that the rest of the world get a life time to reflect on and make judgments about. Hell yes I support these people! You and your kind get to hide in the comfort of the environment you choose, while the Officer has to go into every environment without the benefit of hindsight. Then he spends hours, days and even sometime years analyzing his actions especially when things go bad(and things do sometimes go bad).

Consider this, even if the officer is right and does everything by the book (and sometimes he has to do things he does not necessarily whole heartedly agree with)even then he is compelled to wonder if he could have or should have done something differently. What he does impacts lives, we don't have the luxury or the power to determine to what extent, how good or how bad. And it all has to be done in a spontaneous moment.

Hell Yes, I support and Admire them.

You have a rogue in the field!?! then do something about it, he is simply an outlaw. But quit painting everybody with the same brush and have the decency to be honest about it.

[eno_]

I cited the CHP disability retirement numbers precisely because those numbers are a "broad brush."

The question is: Are cops corrupt as a class, or are there only a few "bad apples." The CHP disability fraud rate shows the apples are bad, the tree is bad, and the orchard is planted on a toxic waste dump.

Or try out these numbers: What is the property crime solution rate in your town? How many employees does your local cop shop have? Now, for a frighteningly LOW number, tell me how many property crimes are solved per head per year. (We'll use a year because per week the number is too close to ZERO).

There are many good reasons to have a bad attitude about cops.

[JCEccles]

Evidently the reputation of the "victim" proceeded him

Dallas ritually and coolly executed two men.

[JCEccles]

Evidently the reputation of the "victim" proceeded him

The Claude Dallas alternative would be to do away with cops altogether and enforce laws with deadly force personally and privately, according to whatever notion of justice strikes each one of us on any even day.

[eno_]

Really?

There is NO ALTERNATIVE to the corrupt and expensive criminal "justice" system we have? NONE?

Oh < HEADSLAP > I must have MISSED the fact that at the founding, our forefathers absolutely meant this country to have 200,000 armed federales of various species, plus local cops dressed up in black ninja suits amed with machineguns. Yeah, I'm obviously ignorant of the fact that no-knock raids are EXACTLY what the 4th Amendment had in mind, and it only took about 190 years for that wisdom to become evident.

Yup, those whacky revolutionaries looooved those redcoats so much, they wanted our generation to live under the police jackboot.

Or maybe we COULD live without SWAT teams, no knock raids, siezure laws, and the most expensive prison system on Earth and still not be an anarchy? Ya think?

[JCEccles]

Claude Dallas is the white survivalists' O.J. Simpson.

I have no use for either killer.

[eno_]

Nice try, but the jury knew Claude Dallas killed those men. They never denied the obvious, as in the Simpson case.

The jury concluded Dallas was defending himself. Are you saying that when one shoots a known thug, just because that thug is wearing a law enforcement uniform, it isn't possible to be defending yourself?

[lefties]

put them out of their misery,,we do it all the time.

[PKRBKR4LIFE]

The guy is a cold blooded killer period. Anyone who thinks he is cool or some kind of rebel is an idiot. I cannot believe scum like that has been released. People should not be killed for nothing. The two officers were killed for nothing. What he may get a lil fine or at worst a few days in the county jail. It should be an eye for an eye in this country and idiots like Claude Dallas might think twice before such senseless acts.

[thewanderer44]

I’m afraid he wouldn’t. Don’t know of any state with the death penalty for manslaughter

[billsstuffagain]

mr. dallas’s escape was considered a lawful escape because he was able to prove that his life was in danger if he stayed in the idaho prison,under u.s. law you have a right to protect your life and your families life under all circumstances. did you somehow miss that simple fact or were you one of the corrections officers that were proven to be at fault for the lack of protective abilities or actually tried to have him hit. Try reading something besides the police gazzette. P.S bill pouge threatened to bring him in the “hard way” and was known as a punk,he ran in to someone he thought he had disarmed and when he drew his weopon on a supposedly unarmed person he became no better than a gangmember and he paid the ultimate price unfortunatly.