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Normal Service Resumed (Let's Tell Peggy What We Think)
The Wall St. Journal ^ | 2/4/05 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 02/03/2005 10:35:59 PM PST by paulat

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To: Fenris6

You construed Miss Marple's comments as though she were guilty of self promotion or selfishness. Miss Marple merely stated fact: most volunteers do not have the advantage of a column in which to inform others of their intentions.


221 posted on 02/04/2005 11:47:41 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Fair enough. I left my question open-ended to allow for a greater sample. Lets narrow it:

How about a list of journalists who quit their full-time job last June to become a full-time volunteer for the Bush team? I'll start it off:

1) Peggy Noonan

Feel free to add names as they come to you...

222 posted on 02/04/2005 11:53:54 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: wouldntbprudent
When she wasn't tapped for greatness in the second term, maybe she got P.O.'d. Could happen.

The thought crossed my mind, as well.

It could be that her rejection of the inaugural speech, at least subconsciously, traces to the fact that she didn't craft it.

223 posted on 02/04/2005 12:07:30 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Fenris6
Your disingenuous reply,is just more of the same Clintonian twisting,spinning,and outfight lies.

Painting with the broadest brush available,you come onto Peggy threads and without EVER commenting on the article she's written,you,without naming any names (nics),heap calumny on anyone who dares to find factual fault with what Peggy has written.Example after example of her excruciatingly drippy prose,inaccuracies,and bias are posted to this thread,but you consider these critiques to be "personal attacks" on her and by inference,on you.

By slamming every unnamed posters,the implication is that everyone who finds fault with the article,are part and parcel of this as yet unnamed group of malefactors,which you so haughtily claim to be above. When posters take umbrage with your one personal attack covers all,you turn on them individually.

For the record,please CCP,to this thread,from EVERY previous thread that has EVER been posted to FR,in it's entire history,the replies wherein I and every single other poster to this thread,who has factually pointed out the flaws of THIS article,has called Peggy a "slut,whore,lesbian bitch". I,for one,have NEVER posted any/all of those things about Peggy,but because of the way you have repeatedly stated this BIG LIE,it would appear to lurkers that I have.So the ball is in YOUR court now.Prove it,or apologize in full to me and others!

You keep digging that hole....dig,dig,dig,DIG;you pathetic LIAR! Put up or shut up;prove what you claim,or forever be shown to be the LIAR we know that you are!

And the word "hack",BTW, has a specific meaning when used to describe a writer.Unfortunately,you haven't the glimmer of an idea as to its meaning.So,I'm going to educate you.:-)

hack.....a person,as an artist or writer,who exploits,for money,his creative ability or training,in the production of DULL,UNIMAGINATIVE,and TRITE WORK;one who produces BANAL and MEDIOCRE work in the hope of gaining commercial success. (Please pay attention to the following bit especially!) a professional who renounces or surrenders individual independence,integrity,belief,etc. in return for money or OTHER REWARD in performance of a task normally thought of as involving A STRONG PERSONAL COMMITMENT.

By flip flopping,in a scant few hours,her position on the Inaugural speech (gee,the lefties just LOVE GOPers pundits who castigate the president,don't they?) she got lots of press. And then,there is Peggy's purple prose,which most assuredly falls into the category of the BANAL;not to mention INANE and TRITE!

Case closed!

224 posted on 02/04/2005 1:10:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
LIAR!
225 posted on 02/04/2005 1:11:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
LIAR!
226 posted on 02/04/2005 1:12:02 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
LIAR!
227 posted on 02/04/2005 1:12:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
YOU ARE A SNIVELLING COWARD AND LIAR!
228 posted on 02/04/2005 1:14:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
LIAR!
229 posted on 02/04/2005 1:15:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin

Thank you VERY much! :-)


230 posted on 02/04/2005 1:16:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
And just WHAT did dear Peggy actually DO for the cause?

Did she write the speeches for anyone,who brought the house down at the GOP Convention? NO!

Did she make a LOT of hay,going on radio talk show after radio talk show and to pump herself up/pat herself on her back ? YES!

Did she do anything more valuable than those of us here,who also gave our time,money,and effort to get the president re-elected? NO!

231 posted on 02/04/2005 1:22:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
That's the FIRST time,you've actually,though only in a left handed way,even remotely said that there was something "wrong" with her anti-Inaugural speech. "BAD TIMING";how about flip flopping disingenuous?
232 posted on 02/04/2005 1:24:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: wouldntbprudent
LOL.......why thank you!

I've never read a "bodice ripper",but like you,I have read about them. And those snippets from Peggy's column about Rush,just drip with girlish ,"dear diary",twee,simpering.

233 posted on 02/04/2005 1:31:25 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"That's the FIRST time,you've actually,though only in a left handed way,even remotely said that there was something "wrong" with her anti-Inaugural speech.

No. Check the actual Inaugural thread where - gee - my complaints about her Inaugural article are posted. Miss Marple can back me up, as my comments were posted to her.

"BAD TIMING"; how about flip flopping disingenuous?

See above. But keep trying. Maybe get more emotional about it...

234 posted on 02/04/2005 2:02:13 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6

Good afternoon.

As Howlin said, give it a rest.

Michael Frazier


235 posted on 02/04/2005 2:05:45 PM PST by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Fenris6
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahaha

Nonsecquitor,ignoring the salient points previous put to you,just more of the same old same old lies;but thanks for "playing".

Dig,dig,dig,dig,dig,dig,dig..........haven't you worn that shovel out yet? :^)

236 posted on 02/04/2005 2:06:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fenris6
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahaha

Nonsecquitor,ignoring the salient points previous put to you,just more of the same old same old lies;but thanks for "playing".

Dig,dig,dig,dig,dig,dig,dig..........haven't you worn that shovel out yet? :^)

237 posted on 02/04/2005 2:06:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: quidnunc; All
//ping to all who want to rejoin a civil discussion on this article

Peggy is a one-note samba — any speech which is not 'gentle', that is, squishy and full of syrupy verbage, is sub-par in here book.

Here's the actual quote in fair context:

America will work with "our friends" in the Mideast to "encourage a higher standard of freedom." The government of Saudi Arabia should become more democratic; the "great and proud nation of Egypt" is capable of showing the way to greater democracy in the region. We "expect" the Syrian government to stop supporting terrorists. We are "working with our European allies" to convince Iran not to develop nukes. We "stand with" the people of Iran. This was gentle but pointed, more specific and less messianic, than the recent inaugural--and therefore less open to misinterpretation. It was more finely calibrated, which is to say it was calibrated."

Bush was talking not to us, but directly to the peoples of the Middle East. Remember that OBL intends to use America as a foil to unite all Arabs under a Caliphate. Perhaps our writers thought a messianic tone wasn't the wisest way to approach the hearts and minds of people who have been conditioned to expect an American Crusade. Hence, the calibration. An agressive foreign policy statement to the Arab world coupled with God-speak would have been reckless.

238 posted on 02/04/2005 2:18:01 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6

Uh, who cares what 'peggy' thinks? I dont!


239 posted on 02/04/2005 2:22:09 PM PST by Jazzman1
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To: nopardons

"Nonsecquitor,ignoring the salient points previous put to you"

Not ignoring. I've been asked to show some sympathy for your predicament. Once your mind settles down, I'd be happy to respond to any coherent questions you have. Thanks.


240 posted on 02/04/2005 2:45:19 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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