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To: Tolik
Yes, the UN is just a political cadaver and most reasonable people might say a hopeless institution of little practical value to civilization.

However, on this particular issue one must remember that approximately 10 time more non-military Christians were killed during WWII than Jews and these people have no huge and continuing force for remembrance of their victimhood as do the Jews.

The USSR lost approximately 17 million civilians alone with the Ukraine experiencing it's own genocide which is certainly on a par of horror experienced by the Jews.

The point to be made is that civilization as a whole was victimized and that such victimization was not the exclusive experience of the relatively small number of Jews who were murdered as a fraction of the total.

3 posted on 02/03/2005 9:30:36 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: squirt-gun

600,000 massacred in Ruwanda or 2 mln killed by Pol Pot thugs in Kampuchea or 2 mln Armenians killed by the Turks was a relatively small number as compared to the slaughtr-house which is today's world. No small number for them though. Something in your approach is faulty.


4 posted on 02/03/2005 9:48:54 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: squirt-gun
"Yes, the UN is just a political cadaver and most reasonable people might say a hopeless institution of little practical value to civilization.",/i>,p> I think that you must focus this comment on the political impact that the UN has in the world forum, such as the Security Council. The relief aid that the UN is responsible for delivering world wide by tireless volunteers should not come under fire.
5 posted on 02/03/2005 9:53:38 AM PST by Kelly_2000
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To: squirt-gun
"Yes, the UN is just a political cadaver and most reasonable people might say a hopeless institution of little practical value to civilization.",,p> I think that you must focus this comment on the political impact that the UN has in the world forum, such as the Security Council. The relief aid that the UN is responsible for delivering world wide by tirelesss volunteers should not come under fire.
6 posted on 02/03/2005 9:54:03 AM PST by Kelly_2000
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To: squirt-gun

dunno what this means, i recall 6 million jews, do you mean 60 mil christians in ww2??

17 mil for russia sounds right but where are the rest??

& keep in mind the low total number of jews, so the fraction lost (1/3) was much greater than any other group..

or maybe not, seems like 32+ mil unborn is about 1/3 of american unborns, so you may have a point..but you also get mine


7 posted on 02/03/2005 9:54:23 AM PST by Tulsa (comparisons are odious--alexander pope)
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To: squirt-gun
There is one aspect of Germans exterminating Jews and Gypsies that is absolutely unique.

The bloody XX century knows many other genocidal killings. But all of them were perpetrated by the killers that did not have reputation of being civilized. Yes, the Left was willingly overlooking crimes of communists in USSR, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, but they still looked upon Soviets, for example, as a work in progress. The militaristic Japan committed atrocities to Chinese, Koreans and others on the level not at all lower than Germans. Still, they were a dangerous enemy, but they were not perceived as great contributors to civilization.

On another hand, Germany's contribution to civilization in culture and science is immense. It makes its quick degradation into the industrialized murderers so much more shocking and unbelievable.

Anyway, the whole point of Anne Bayefsky's article is totally different. She points out the usual UN hypocrisy in looking kind of sorry for the long dead Jews and keeping the business as usual in opposing the self defense of the alive Jews.
9 posted on 02/03/2005 10:10:00 AM PST by Tolik
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