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To: Miss Marple

Miss Maple......you are not getting what i"m saying...forget her comments for now.....what I'm saying is that even if she made a mistake, why do you not forgive and move on. She rarely if ever disagrees with the Pres or the Admin.. Why do you villify her on this one speech. that is all I ask, one time and you attack her......


4,220 posted on 02/02/2005 8:42:33 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

It was not just a one time of getting up on the wrong side of the bed thing. She wrote a second column which was even more of a dare that anyone would criticize what she had said. We here are the only ones to think her small.


4,235 posted on 02/02/2005 8:46:32 PM PST by Carolinamom
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To: NorCalRepub
Oh, I am glad I checked one more time before I went to bed.

Why don't I forgive? I do...but I don't do so until someone shows that they have repented. She has not, but instead said she wishes she had been harsher.

And this is not the first time she has done this. She has published snipes at the President before. She will go for months supporting him, and then at a time when he needs support she will attack him in a sniping way. I don't have time to look up links tonight, but if you go back through all of her campaign columns, you will find a few.

My thing with her is the same as Bill Kristol. Although I might agree with them most of the time, they cannot be counted on as dependable allies.

Now I am going to bed.

4,242 posted on 02/02/2005 8:47:51 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: NorCalRepub
"Why do you villify her on this one speech

On this one speech? You must take her remarks with what she's written before, as you've already said.

This is from her June 14, 2004 column, in which she reprinted a speech she made at a gathering of former Reagan hands, following President Reagan's funeral:

"Are we a government that has a country, or a country that has a government? We are the latter; hold it high. Can dictators who run a country the size of a continent in the name of a life-killing ideology, can they push freedom around? They cannot. Say it, hold it high. Is there a natural thing within man that tells him God is real and good, real as a rock, good as clean water--is that thing, that knowledge, natural to man? Yes it is. Hold it high. Should we as a people try to rid ourselves of the natural expressions of this natural knowledge? No. We must keep that and guard it and love it. We must hold it high."

This is from her column which ran the day after the inauguration.

"This world is not heaven.

The president's speech seemed rather heavenish. It was a God-drenched speech. This president, who has been accused of giving too much attention to religious imagery and religious thought, has not let the criticism enter him. God was invoked relentlessly. "The Author of Liberty." "God moves and chooses as He wills. We have confidence because freedom is the permanent hope of mankind . . . the longing of the soul."

It seemed a document produced by a White House on a mission. The United States, the speech said, has put the world on notice: Good governments that are just to their people are our friends, and those that are not are, essentially, not. We know the way: democracy. The president told every nondemocratic government in the world to shape up. "Success in our relations [with other governments] will require the decent treatment of their own people."

...snip

"Ending tyranny in the world? Well that's an ambition, and if you're going to have an ambition it might as well be a big one. But this declaration, which is not wrong by any means, seemed to me to land somewhere between dreamy and disturbing. Tyranny is a very bad thing and quite wicked, but one doesn't expect we're going to eradicate it any time soon. Again, this is not heaven, it's earth."

I'm so glad that you were here defending her tonight. Because if you review the critiques of her column in light of the historic events that have happenned in Iraq just this past week, it's clear to see how shallow Noonan's thinking is. Much less how hypocritical it is to what she had said just 6 months ago.

4,299 posted on 02/02/2005 9:04:05 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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