Naysayers tight-lipped since success of Iraq vote

The Washington Times ^ | February 2, 2005 | James G. Lakely

[SunkenCiv]

Great! He really puts on a great show, and microwave popcorn is only $6 and change for a case of 28 at Sam's Club. ;')

Americans Fly to Iraq as Part of Relief Effort, Call For an End to Sanctions
by Greg Myre
Fox News
Saturday, January 13, 2001

Another group of 50 American activists was expected to reach Baghdad on Saturday night, headed by former Attorney General Ramsey Clark... Most of the flights manage to skirt the sanctions issue by including humanitarian aid, which is permitted. The Americans and others have portrayed their flights as a challenge to the sanctions, but U.N. officials have not taken that view. At the United Nations, a U.S. official said Friday that the United States allowed the flight to be approved, though it was viewed as a "propaganda tool for Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. It's well documented that there is plenty of food and medicine to go around in Iraq. But Hussein chooses not to distribute it," said Mary Ellen Glynn, spokeswoman at the U.S. mission. "He is happy to send food and aid to the Palestinian people when it serves his purposes but he doesn't distribute it to his own people." The sanctions have never blocked humanitarian aid, and the U.N.'s oil-for-food program allows Iraq to import basic goods. However, Iraq blames the sanctions for more than 1 million deaths over the past decade.

Ramsey Clark to Protesters: 'Let's Impeach Bush'
NewsMax
Saturday, Jan. 18, 2003

[Former U.S. Attorney General under President Johnson, Ramsey] Clark told a crowd of cheering anti-American demonstrators gathered in Washington, D.C., ...that Bush has already "waged war, first strike and pre-emption, on his own, without the consent of the Congress or the United Nations." In fact, Bush has won resolutions of support for his Iraqi policy from both bodies. Next the former AG asked the crowd, "Has [Bush] threatened to use nuclear weapons?" "Yes," came the response, despite the fact that that charge was also erroneous. "Has he authorized and condoned assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings and secret holding of people in unlawful detention?" Clark wondered aloud, before adding bizarrely, "And bribery!"

Ramsey Clark contributed to this critique of the Klintons' and George Soros' nice little war in Yugoslavia. Among the other contributors are Slobodan Milosevic and the cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal. It really makes me laugh when such scumballs complain that we don't have free speech in the US. :')

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Hidden Agenda: U.S./NATO Takeover of Yugoslavia ed by John Catalinotto and Sara Flounders

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[GOPJ]

No comment? Speechless? Hey, Moore, what ya got ta say now?

There has been no comment since the Iraq elections from Mr. Moore, the Academy Award-winning filmmaker who characterized the Iraqi insurgents as "Minutemen," and predicted "they will win."

[GOPJ]

Moore stands with the enemy. That's telling.

It seems that Moore only admires the Iraqi people when they validate his agenda of hating George Bush. Now that they have embraced this ideal of democracy, he seems to have lost respect for them by failing to acknowledge their achievement. I think he’s taken this whole “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” concept a little over the edge.

[seamus]

I don't think the Turks will try to intervene militarily while the US is in country.....that would start a crisis within NATO itself!

I agree. And it means that Turkey will never invade. The U.S. will have at least 3 bases in free Iraq 5 to 10 years from now. It will as routine for the U.S. have bases in Iraq as it is for them to have bases in Germany, Japan and the Philippines now. And, just to be clear, I consider that a good thing.

[I. M. Trenchant]

I agree: that was why I said "later if not sooner". The Turks have to worry about how it would affect their aspirations to EU membership as well. However, if they come to believe the 'Kirkuk situation' has become 'their Cuba 1962' timebomb, they might well respond rashly, as they did in their decision to renege on their commitments to the U.S. in Iraq in 2003.

[I. M. Trenchant]

I guess my trust in the results of polls done in Iraq is less than your own. Even if the polls are roughly reliable, the fact that Kurds, Baathist Sunnis et al. approach 40% of the total population might well boost the 'secular state' option well beyond anything the Shia have in mind. Additionally, the 'Sistani people' likely know his highness's ultimate aim is a theocratic state, with close ties to Iran -- with the self-interest caveat that this cannot be said at this time. The 'bottom line' for me is that I think the Shia in Iran and Iraq are indissolubly bonded and this will manifest itself -- later if not sooner.

[Plutarch]

Well Ramsey Clarke was his attorney general while Carter was President.....

Ramsey Clark was AG for LBJ, not Carter.

Carter's A'sG were as follows:

Jan. 26, 1977-Jul. 19, 1979--- Griffin B. Bell
Aug. 16, 1979-Jan. 20, 1981--- Benjamin R. Civiletti

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks, I am thinking that I am not the only one that had mistakenly had him
serving under Carter.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

interesting site :

http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/clark.htm> THE MYSTERIOUS RAMSEY CLARK:
STALINIST DUPE OR RULING-CLASS SPOOK?

By Manny Goldstein

Take a close look and there is something downright suspicious about former Attorney General Ramsey Clark, now the darling of certain sectors of the radical left. His journey has taken him from the heights of federal power to outer orbits of the political fringe. In the process, he has seemingly transformed from a shill for the most corrupt elements of the US elites to a shill for any foreign despot who claims to oppose the US elites. Who is Ramsey Clark really working for?

Dynasty of Mediocrity

Ramsey Clark was born to power. In 1945, the Clark family made its leap from Dallas to DC when Ramsey's dad Tom Clark, a lobbyist for Texas oil interests, was appointed Attorney General by President Harry Truman. In his Texas days, the politically ambitious elder Clark was cultivated as a useful connection by New Orleans mafia kingpin Carlos Marcello, and many feared Clark's new job would afford organized crime access to higher levels of power.

AG Clark was repeatedly mired in corruption scandals. In 1945, he was accused of taking a bribe to fix a war profiteering case. In 1947, after he had four convicted Chicago mob bosses sprung from prison before their terms were complete, Congress appointed a committee to investigate--and was effectively roadblocked by Tom's refusal to hand over parole records.

Truman admitted to a biographer that "Tom Clark was my biggest mistake." But he insisted: "It isn't so much that he's a bad man. It's just that he's such a dumb son of a bitch."

AG Tom Clark played along with the post-war anti-communist hysteria, approving federal wiretaps on Alger Hiss, the State Department official accused being a Soviet mole. In 1949, he moved over to the Supreme Court. Carlos Marcello biographer John Davis asserts that the kingpin continued to funnel money to Clark when he sat on the high court.

Tom stepped down from the high court when young Ramsey was appointed attorney general by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967. Ramsey was likely appointed precisely because he was Tom's son. And not because LBJ was impressed with Tom, but just the opposite: Johnson knew that Ramsey's appointment would maneuver Tom into stepping down. This cleared the way for the appointment of Thurgood Marshall, a comparative moral and intellectual titan who was strategic to the White House's effort to buy peace with the civil rights movement.

AG Ramsey got into a famous showdown with FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover when he attempted to block the Director's wiretaps of Martin Luther King Jr.--apparently the first stirrings of Ramsey's conscience. Hoover, considering Clark a spineless "jellyfish," went over his head and ordered the wiretaps without the AG's approval. However, Clark later told Curt Gentry, author of a critical biography of Hoover, that the FBI director had "very strong human qualities" and "was not at all evil by any means. He really believed deeply in integrity, as he defined it, as he saw it."

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See site for the rest of the story........

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

See #29 and related link on Ramsey Clark!

[AllTheRage]

[Liberal Classic]

...the fringeiest of the fringe...

That would make a good name for a band. Or a blog, for that matter.

[Plutarch]

Thanks, I am thinking that I am not the only one that had mistakenly had him serving under Carter.

Yeah, and with good reason. Every time a terrorist or Communist needs to be apologized for, or coddled, you find Jimmy Carter and Ramsey Clark jostling to go first to blame America.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks.