Microsoft kicks off search effort (Microsoft throws down gauntlet to Google)

CNET ^ | 2/1/2005 | Stefanie Olsen

[Arthalion]

Of course, you cannot forget the most memorable MS flop in history...BOB! I still shudder when I think about using that abomination.



Gold indeed!

[JoJo Gunn]

Yeah, I noticed that, and how Quasi completely ignored that profound fact. MSN running on Linux, not to mention Winduhs Updates??? How can Quasi possibly reconcile that? hehe

[KwasiOwusu]

"Nintendo's target market has always been kids to 18 tops... Hasn't been or aimed at being #1 since the early 90s... glad to see you can keep up with the kiddie console."

Micdosoft's XBOX has still clobbered Nintendo Gamecube, kids market or not.

"MSNBC Profitable, and dead last in the ratings.. and as for their web site.. KEY word in your statment... WAS... and only was because every local NBC affilliate had their local news posted there, now that that is no longer the case"

MSNBC was profitable within less than 2 years after starting, dead last in ratings or not.
Listen CBS is last in network news ratings, but they still make good profits even in spite of Dan Rather.

As for MSNBC web site, it still IS one of the top 3 news sites on the planet,fluctuating with CNN and Fox depending on what month we are talking about..

http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=504


"XBOX.. just made its first quarter profit? Wow.. its running on all cylinders now"

Yep.
And it beat Nintendo Gamecube last year too, after just 3 years on the market. *chuckle


" It doesn't. SQLServer nowhere near #1 DB"

SQL Server is # 1 on Windows Server.the only platform it runs on,having long overtaken Oracle, and growing at a staggering 25%,even tho its been out since 2000,and a new one is coming this year. Every single year for the past 5 years at least, SQL Server has INCREASED its market share.
That is simply awesome.

[JoJo Gunn]

This little worm controls the hits to any and all websites. If everyone realized that, then by midnight the suits would be flinging themselves from the windows of their ivory towers. But I can't answer for the MassMind, only myself, and I'm very comfortable in not being a lemming knee-padder.

By the way:

And # 2, most new PC's have msn.com as their homepage, so msn.com has very hight traffic.

By your own admission, MSN's traffic numbers aren't honest numbers.

As with Linux, I'm sure you won't acknowledge that either, considering you have all the debating skills of a DU'er.

[KwasiOwusu]

"Keep shilling though... dance for those dollars.. earn that paycheck this week"

Stop talking nonsense dude.
You are one of the biggest shills I have ever seen here, and that is saying a lot.
How much is Red Hat paying you to spew out nonsense and attack people?
Or is it Google?

Why don't you argue your pint and stop making hysterical whines about "shills"for a change,especially since you are the Ayatollah of Shills?

[KwasiOwusu]

"This little worm controls the hits to any and all websites"

You control nothing, but your lil 2-bit trailer park.
Hey, its ok for people like you not to use Microsoft products.

After all, we are looking for people who actually earn a living , so they can buy products advertised on msn sites.

[KwasiOwusu]

"By your own admission, MSN's traffic numbers aren't honest numbers. "

When did traffic from a home page become "dishonest" numbers?

[HamiltonJay]

#1 on a third tier os.. yea, that's worth bragging about....

Sorry, you lose. You can't pick and choose the yardstick...

You want to talk marketshare... you lose... MSNBC a joke... You want to talk profitability.. 3 years to finally make a profit? You can't pick and choose which yardstick.

Reality is MS is full of less than stunning successess. and when they fail the MS PR machine just change the yardstick to make it sound better than it was.

MS PORTAL... gone... MSNBC... last in ratings, Rosanne Barr Nude would attract more people than MSNBC on a typical weeknight.... XBOX.. nowhere near a serious threat to the industry, and PS3's will be shipping long before XBOX figures out its a novelty.


MS is not a company that has turned everything its touched to gold... particularly in the INTERNET ARENA...
they launched their original search and claimed it would make them a player.. it didn't... they launched a new search claimed THIS TIME it will make them aplayer... it didn't... launched another one... same thing.. and now they are doing it again.. and they will get the same results...

You can spin spin spin all you like... but MS is no threat in the search arena. There is nothing about there new search that offers one single improvement over whats already and been out there for years.

Altavista leap frogged Lycos because they had a better search... AltaVista fell back to nothing because they didn't keep it going.... Goto lept up because they offered something new... and eventually fell as Google offered a better product... MS Search, like AOL Search has NEVER offered a better product.. at best they are attempts at keeping up.. and keeping up won't win you the gold.

Search is an arena where even today someone COULD leap frog GOOGLE if they COULD come out with a better search... unfortunatley MSN once again didn't do that..... Sorry... they aren't a threat or a player in search... and are no closer now than they were in the late 90s.


Keep up the PR though... make sure you get the latest talking points from your boss... wouldn't want folks to see through the marketing PR.

[KwasiOwusu]

"#1 on a third tier os.. yea, that's worth bragging about"

Microsoft Windows Server is now the # 1 server by both dollar sales and unit sales, and its busy eating Unix's lunch.
Plus its running some of the biggest businesses on the planet like Dell and Jetblue.

That makes it solidly tier # 1 to you.
You lose.
Again.
LMAO!!

That makes

[HamiltonJay]

20 years in enterprise level software and I can tell you Windows Server is not the #1 installed server software out there, not even close.... might want to check your sources my friend... your PR department does a good job spinning, but get the facts jack.

[KwasiOwusu]

"You want to talk marketshare... you lose... MSNBC a joke... You want to talk profitability.. 3 years to finally make a profit?"

MSNBC took approx the same time to become profitable as Fox did, than Fox did when it was started, and made profits faster than CNN did when it first started.
That is the yardstick you measure a business by,profitability.
Is market share important? Sure.
Are profits even more important to any viable business?You bet.
You can reduce prices below cost and get huge market share, and run yourself right out of business.
Get it?.

[KwasiOwusu]

"20 years in enterprise level software and I can tell you Windows Server is not the #1 installed server software out there, not even close"

I haven't mentioned installed base.
I am talking the latest CURRENT server market share figures from IDC and Dataquest for servers sold.
Get it?

[JoJo Gunn]

I guess it's been a couple of months ago, but I gave their search a look, especially the image search. It was okay, and pretty much uncluttered, but Google is still better.

I looked today, and I didn't even see an image search choice. Either I missed it or they dropped it.

I freely admit there's something about MS that un-nerves me, considering their shady business practices, and how they've gone the Big Brother route, (much less how things that have no business accessing the net raises firewall alerts on my machine. I run ME, and it's even worse with my friends new XP rig he got this weekend). I just don't feel comfortable with them anymore. Not that I'm safe with Yahoo mail or anyone's search, but still....

[ShadowAce]

Who cares about SOLD figures? It's the installed base that counts.

[ShadowAce]

Try this one. :)

[KwasiOwusu]

"unfortunatley MSN once again didn't do that.."

MSN just brought out their new search engine yesterday Monday.
Why don't we talk market share in say 6 months time before you go about making outrageous statements.

[JoJo Gunn]

So, since I'm not on my knees fellating Big Brother Gates, I'm trailer trash? Again I say you have all the debating skills of a hippie.

When did traffic from a home page become "dishonest" numbers?

Seeing as how I'm not in your league, must I spell out everything to you?

They're fudged, rigged, whatever words you wanna use. The fact remains that a lot of those hits aren't from conscious decisions to make MSN a home page. Some people are just too lazy to change the setting, or don't know how, or don't care, whatever. There's no way you can logically compare MSN to Google's hits, since Google doesn't have the home field advantage of OS's and/or browsers shipping with them as a default.

[KwasiOwusu]

"Who cares about SOLD figures? It's the installed base that counts"

Nope.
The guys selling more units today, and who have sold more units than anyone for the past 3 years at least(Microsoft), are the ones that are set to take over the installed base as well.
Unix has the installed base but their share is falling every month (just look at Sun).
Its not going to take much longer before Microsoft is # 1 in installed base as well.
Even more reason.for you to become even more bitter. :)

[Arthalion]

I notice that you haven't yet responded to my comments. Are you just here to blindly promote MS and spar with those who oppose it on ideological grounds, or are you here to discuss the very real flaws in the new MSN search and objectively debate whether or not it has any real possibility of out-googling Google?

[HamiltonJay]

Kwasi... MSN's "NEW" search has been available for MONTHS publicly... its not some secret.. if it had the potential of overtaking Google, it would already be dominating market share.. you don't know squat about the internet.....

Just because they officially announced it today, doesn't mean it became available today.. Its been publicly available for months.