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To: snarks_when_bored
Fortunately, we can avoid an infinite regress. We can just stop at the world. There is no reason why the physical universe cannot be it’s own first cause. As we know from both everyday experience and sophisticated scientific observations, complex systems develop from simpler systems all the time in nature—with not even low intelligence required. A mist of water vapor can freeze into a snowflake. Winds can carve out great cathedrals in rock. Brontosaurs can evolve from bacteria.

And our relatively complex universe could have arisen out of the entity that is the simplest and most mindless of all—the void.


He is missing precisely the point --- the whole idea of an unmoved mover or a first cause is that the complex world we have cannot come from a void... but even if it did where did the void come from... there must be a being whose nature is beingness itself... hence God.
4 posted on 02/01/2005 5:52:07 AM PST by Cato1
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To: Cato1

Are you certain that the void (i.e., blank non-entity, perfect emptiness) has to have come from something or from somewhere? Why?


6 posted on 02/01/2005 6:08:40 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Cato1

> but even if it did where did the void come from... there must be a being whose nature is beingness itself... hence God.

Why "hense God?" Why not "hense Astaroth?" Or "hense something else?"


8 posted on 02/01/2005 6:46:02 AM PST by orionblamblam
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