Parolee, 19, Is Held in Death Of Actress During Robbery

New York Times ^ | February 1, 2005 | MICHAEL WILSON and JANON FISHER

[TexasTransplant]

>>>I imagine they meant gang in the stricter sense of being an identified gang (Bloods, Crips, Mexican Mafia, etc.), rather than the loose sense of being a group of criminals<<<

I call them all punks, what kinda punk makes little difference.

Heard that they make good Fertilizer...

TT

[68skylark]

The expert you mention might be Gavin DeBecker. I've read one of his books on personal protection & crime. It was great. I can recommend it very strongly -- anyone who reads it can feel a lot more relaxed about potential trouble. You'll know what you need to know if the time ever comes.

Gavin DeBecker -- The Gift of Fear.

[orangelobster]

"brothers ages 17 and 21, were questioned in the killing but not charged after telling detectives they were shocked when Mr. Fleming pulled the trigger."

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Seems these two were in on the earlier mugging. They should be tried as accomplices. Stating that they were 'shocked' is more than disingenuous.

[nopardons]

LOL..........that's a good one! :-)

[lavrenti]

I find it hard to believe they're not going to charge the entire crew.

It is NYC, however.

[speed_addiction]

Is this what you served 74 months in prison for?

Missed him completely. Not a scratch, but scared the ever loving sh!t out of him.

[Miss Behave]

Here's the original thread on the crime the morning it went down:

ACTRESS SLAIN

Lots of interesting positions taken by FReepers. Worth a read if you haven't. Also contains a lot of good advice, from those more street savy, regarding effective (and ineffective) self-defense.

[oyez]

It time that those who approve paroles be held responsible when their parolee commits more crimes.

[durasell]

The Post used to be one of the great old timey papers...every once in awhile it shows glimmers of its old self.

[nopardons]

Most of the time it shows far more than just a glimmer;however,they've now made the Sunday edition almost unreadable.

[jocon307]

"...the Baruch Houses in Manhattan."

That is the ghetto of the ghetto.

[TexasTransplant]

I thought my past was Violent, this thread has shown me a few FReepers that have been there as well. Which City are we talking about with the Race Baiters? (I will bet it is an enlightened Blue one)

[durasell]

Nah, typical Post headline,

Senate Divided On Prez Soc Sec Plan

What the hell is that? That's not what I want from the Post. I want...

CRAZED FIEND IN THE BRONX BOILS HUMAN HEADS TO MAKE SOUP!

[lavrenti]

Baruch and Riis Houses used to have the highest per capita of full-blown AIDS cases in the city.

Not HIV. AIDS.

[durasell]

You mean the photogs? It was NYC. But they did it in virtually all the states. Long standing tradition. Now they do it to celebs, though in a milder form.

[lavrenti]

I find myself reading the Sun these days. The Post doesn't have the fun it used to have. Neutered.

[lavrenti]

Did you ever read Ben Hecht's writings on his journalism experience? Gross and kneeslapping funny at once, particularly the story of him having to steal a photo from the mantlepiece.

[durasell]

They did some fun Lizzie Grubman stuff when they story was going. They were giving away a Lizzie-mobile, if you remember.

[jocon307]

"That's the NYT style, which in the past has included, Mr. Hitler and Mr. Loaf (as in Meat Loaf)."

And don't forget my personal fave: the much maligned Mr. Rotten, speaking of Johnny Rotten.

Yes, the Times used to be something, now unfortunately it is nothing but fish wrap.

[durasell]

No, never a Hecht fan -- not for any particular reason, just never got into him. But I do love The Front Page.