Posted on 01/31/2005 7:21:27 PM PST by qam1
Yeah, the residents of Agana (Guam), Tokyo (Japan), Dresden (Germany), Stalingrad (Russia), etc., might put up an argument, too.
The author is obviously Filipino-centric in his viewpoint. Reasonable to still hate the Japanese for what they did, but stupid to hate the Americans for stopping them. Thank goodness that territory isn't our responsibility any more, with idiots like that living there.
'it was obvious that shells raining around the area were US shells directed at the Japanese'
The King has no conscience.
THIS is what the Twentieth Century Atlas has about World War II casulaties in ALL of the Phillippines
Guess they all died in the retaking of Manila < /sarcasm>
Many Filipinos want to rejoin the United States as the 51st State!! If "they" hate us, why would they want that?
http://philippinegovantigraft.homestead.com/Statehood.html
http://philippinegovantigraft.homestead.com/StatehoodA.html
http://philippinegovantigraft.homestead.com/StatehoodB.html
http://philippinegovantigraft.homestead.com/StatehoodC.html
http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=22004&catID=11&page=2
They don't hate us...
I remember my grandmother telling me that in WWl there was this story about the Huns. She was not German but she seemed to think that it was later accepted that this was war propoganda. Now whenever I read that about any army (no matter how obviously atrocious they were)I wonder if those particular stories are made up. ...
But I like this line from one of your links
"For the Philippines, it's better to be bigger by becoming a member of the United States than being a beggar by remaining a member of the United Nations."
But about Statehood, The Philppines have a population of 86,241,697, So if they ever did become a state they would get ~¼ of the Seats in the House of Representives, So I don't think we would go along with it.
We would have to split them up into three or four states, IMHO.
Good synopsis. The Battle of Manila was brutal and vicious, the only "big city" land battle of the Pacific War, and compared to our forces in the ETO, our combat troops in the Philippines had little or no training or experience in urban warfare.
Unlike battles like Stalingrad, where most of the civilian population was evacuated beforehand, Manila was crammed full of civilians; those who were trying to get away from the battle were a lot of the ones being slaughtered by the Japanese, and some of the ones staying in the city were unfortunately, killed in American air and artillery bombardments.
War is Hell. We won the war. Japan surrendered unconditionally.
God Bless Gen. MacArthur, he was brilliant commander and strategist.
And when the bombardment started, who prevented the Manila residents from leaving the city and avoiding the bombardment? Not the Americans. The Japanese. The Japanese were using these civilians as a human shield, deliberately digging in among the civilian population, so the responsibility for any deaths resides with the Japanese.
This article meets the modern definition of "stupid": "Something SO dumb only a Lefty would believe it".
Yes I remember hearing how the atrocities committed by the 'frightful Hun' during the First World War were just propaganda. The only thing is that recent research has proven that they were true! The Germans did massacre many Belgian civilians during their occupation and did 'rape' the city of Louvain. It would be a bit difficult in the light of their behaviour twenty years later that the German army became such a bunch of barbarians over night. And please spare me the claim that the Wehrmacht were honourable soldiers and that it was just the SS that committed atrocities, the regular German troops and policemen were fully involved in slaughtering innocent civilians.
The Japanese however made the Germans look like Sunday school teachers. If you don't believe what they did then read Iris Chang's 'The Rape of Nanking'it even has photos for the disbelievers.
While there’s a lot of BS in this article. There’s also a lot of truth to it.
The whole invasion of the PI was unnecessary.
US plans called to hop over PI to Japan.
MacArthur convinced the Prez. to let him keep his “ I Shall Return” promise.
The lives lost on all sides was nothing more that a photo op for MacArthur.
MacArthur was a bumbling primadonna idiot.
Not only did he lose the PI having superior forces and the initiative. Just to prove the first time wasn’t a fluke. He almost did the same in Korea.
The Filipinos already have an American territory, anyway. It's called Guam. Why would we give them 1/4 of the Congress in exchange for territory we would have to stretch like hell to defend and 80 million more poor people that would be begging for federal aid?
Yeah, what a deal that would be, where do we sign? /sarcasm
Good lord, just reading the 'here's the what the U.S. will do for us' list on this link: http://philippinegovantigraft.homestead.com/StatehoodA.html gives me nightmares. The worst is the part where they claim that U.S. law enforcement will reduce corruption. Yeah, because it's worked so well in King County, Chicago, and D.C.
No, I'm not pushing any opinion. Just had a historical question...
Japan didn't surrender unconditionally.
Hirohito should have danced on air like his generals. He was every bit the war criminal Tojo was. And until the Japs take down their Yasukuni shrine museum b.s. about how the Rape of Nanking was a police action to restore order, and how they were forced into the war, I'm not about to buy into Japan as a peaceful country that should be allowed to rearm, either. Roosevelt wasn't my favorite president by any means, but he never fired a shot at the Japs and I'll be darned if I'll ever forgive their sneak attack on us or their poor treatment of our soldiers and American internees.
Want to have a little fun next time you hear one of these leftist revisionists from the PI speaking out for there people?
Ask them “ Are you from Japan ? You look Japanese! “ If they give you a blank look & answer No I’m from the Philippines. Try once more and say “ Oh you look Japanese “
If there not going for your throat by then. You know they haven’t got a clue.
Oh, c'mon, Leningrad was a squirtgun fight! :P
< /sarcasm>
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