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You two are both new to these discussions.

I suggest that rather than involve yourself with lewislynn and YourNightmare, that you just ignore them.

I'm not sure why they are devoted to preserving the current monstrosity, but I assume that it is for money -- one way or another.

$23 Million dollars have been spent on economic studies to make this proposal viable and realistic. But these two want you to believe that they have all of the answers and that there is something nefarious about the FairTax and it's proponents. I've not met anyone yet who is involved with promoting this plan who isn't intelligent, honest and trustworthy. Many of them are Freepers that you will see on other threads and will be on the same side of those issues as you and I are. I've never seen these two anywhere but on FairTax threads and with the intent to impugn the plan and it's proponents and their integrity by innuendo, snide remarks, and misrepresentation.

My tendency was to argue with them too until cooler and wiser showed me the error of my way. These 2 will not concede that there is anything redeeming about the plan. You'd think that an honest debater would find something worthwhile, but pointing out a major flaw or two. That they present this as evil incarnate tells me that their opposition is bought and paid for and that they are not honest enough to say so.

Hmmm... I feel compelled to come to Your Nightmare's defense to a certain degree. I agree completely that Lewislynn has nothing to offer but logical sleight of hand and obfuscation. However, YN does seem to be very well read, and offers some very valid criticisms of the FairTax, and should not be grouped in the same class as Lewislynn and the "Lord of Pork" from this thread.

I will share my observation that YN seems to be involved on these threads only to criticize the FarTax at any oportunity. However, he has with very little exception, in my experience, engaged in outright deception, and has benefitted my understanding of several issues.

I suppose my point is, he is not to be summarily dismissed, like Lewislynn. It is my experience he will admit a point if forced to. And at the very least, plays the vital role of an effective devil's advocate. Test what he says and hold him accountable, but I think it would be inappropriate to just dismiss him without consideration.

I suggest that rather than involve yourself with lewislynn and YourNightmare, that you just ignore them. I'm not sure why they are devoted to preserving the current monstrosity, but I assume that it is for money -- one way or another.

Not fair! They have the right to make their case if they want to. And why shouldn't I assume the same thing about your advocacy of NRST?

My own observation of the NRST debate is that most of the avid defenders of the idea are, like the three men who dreamed it in Houston, businessmen or (in the case of the attorney) people whose clients are businessmen whose cash flow would go to the moon if suddenly all federal income and payroll taxes were repealed. Such individuals would be leveraged to any such changeover and shift of business taxes to individual taxpayers, i.e. their own tax bills would rise the same as everyone else's, but the increased tax liability would be dwarfed by their new flows of tax-free income. For them, it's a no-brainer.

For anyone who's retired on a small income, it'd be a disaster.