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To: Conservative Goddess; robertpaulsen

A real life, current example of this is the constant increase in tobacco taxation. The dems keep raising the tax and the revenues decline, they can't figure out why the black market is growing.

The point is that society will be able to decide the level of government they will accept and they will have the effective control to ensure limitation. To argue that collection of the current revenue is to difficult with the proposed system, is to say that you accept that level of government is required even though society will not accept it.

Robert,

Which side are you on? (I know, I need to give you time to answer my other post....)


1,173 posted on 02/02/2005 10:44:00 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM
With the Tobacco Tax, if they collect less they collect less.

With the NRST, if the federal government collects less (due to fraud), they'll simply raise the NRST.

You're talking about a "sales" tax that is 30% when it first appears on the American scene. Add to that a 7% state sales tax, local sales taxes, city sales taxes, you're around 40%. Abuse is not going to force a reduction. This is the minimum starting point.

People will accept 7%, 10%. You want more, you better steal it before they get their hands on it, is all I'm saying.

I like the concept of the NRST, but I am against it as proposed. I do not believe, nor trust, the 23% rate. I believe that fraud will overtake the system, leading to more government control (cashless society, keeping of receipts, proving innocence, rather than they proving guilt). You're still visible to the government (If you want that $500./month -- the rich can afford to hide). It's very easy and painless for the government to raise additional revenue (I've demonstrated that raising the retail price from $100 to $101 - an apparent 1% increase - will raise $520 billion).

Plus, I"d feel more comfortable changing the tax system when we're not running deficits and are not carrying such a debt. My gut tells me that the switch to an NRST is to hide the fact that I'll be paying more to eliminate the deficit and lower the debt.

Let's cut spending first, clean up the financial mess, then take another look at the tax code.

1,178 posted on 02/02/2005 11:22:39 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: CSM
"I know, I need to give you time to answer my other post....)"

Which one?

1,186 posted on 02/02/2005 12:29:13 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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