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National Retail Sales Tax - You gotta be kidding!
GOPNATION.COM ^ | January 31, 2005 | Steve Pudlo

Posted on 01/31/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by bmweezer

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To: Conspiracy Guy

GMTA!


201 posted on 01/31/2005 8:36:32 AM PST by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: kevkrom
As is the personal exemption and standard deduction of the income tax.

Point taken.

Sometimes simplicity is a better goal than complete equability.

I agree.

I'm really and truly not trying to be a trouble maker.........just trying to understand.

202 posted on 01/31/2005 8:36:40 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: RobRoy
The bottom line is that the best way to curtail an activity is to tax it.

Then wouldn't the removal of tax on your labor be an incentive to earn even more as you would get to keep every penny?

Remember, with the NRST there are NO FEDERAL TAXES of any kind taken from your pay check. No income tax, so SS tax, no medicare/medicaid tax, NOTHING.

You get to keep 100% of your check (minus state withholdings).

203 posted on 01/31/2005 8:37:28 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Judith Anne
The reason I prefer the NRST over the flat tax is that the NRST GETS THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR PERSONAL BUSINESS!

Two Words:
A Men!

Shalom.

204 posted on 01/31/2005 8:38:25 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: freepatriot32

You are as off the mark as the author of the article. You're talking about a VAT, not a retail sales tax. An NRST would repeal all of those production taxes you're worried about (which, thanks to income and payroll taxes, you actually are paying today).


205 posted on 01/31/2005 8:39:30 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: snowsislander
I think this thread should be pulled.

Are you THAT afraid of dissent from your "fair tax" propaganda?

206 posted on 01/31/2005 8:39:33 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Le Seigneur De Porc

I have not hit abuse. You have yet to do anything other than post your misguided fear. You oppose tort caps, you believe income tax is constitutional, and you believe the article is well written. You are pressing abuse every time you think. You don't need any help.


207 posted on 01/31/2005 8:39:43 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (If only I used my evil genius for good !)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Laura Earl

If you two can't behave yourselves.......


208 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:06 AM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: robertpaulsen

My only fear is that they will promise to remove the income tax, but when the get the NRST, the income tax will stay with us.

I grew up in Illinois and remember when they were pushing for the state income tax, they promised the voters that property taxes would be greatly reduced, no raises in sales tax, and toll roads would be gone. Well 40 years later there is a higher sales tax, toll roads cost 50 cents instead of 15, and property taxes are higer than ever.

When the govt gets hold of one tax they are very reticent about giving it up. i.e. the phone tax we still pay for the Spanish-American war.


209 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:29 AM PST by DaiHuy (Jesus is Lord.)
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To: mongrel
People will spend less and save more.

I can see why we would think that, but I can't see any evidence that people will ever do this.

Every time I hear about a sale on HiDef TV that puts it down in the range of $1500 or so I almost run off the road. $1500 for a TV? And that's on sale? If Americans will spend $1500 on TV then they will spend any amount on anything. They have money falling out of their a$$holes and can't figure out what to do with it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think consumerism in the US is a freight train you couldn't stop if you tried.

Shalom.

210 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:47 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Zon; Bigun; ...
Ohhh my!!! Busy morning I see.

A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25), offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a retail sales tax:

H.R.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


211 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:01 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: RobRoy
Nope. I'd probably be more apt to buy more durable goods, and willing to pay a bit more for something that'd hold value better as well.

Yes. More people would be able to live a frugal life and save more money. And? How is this a bad thing. Americans are currently only saving 40 cents out of every $100 they make. And we wonder why Social Security is such a mess?

Not having a billion and one tax regualtions to deal with would make starting up a new business that much more a viable option as well. New producers create new wealth.

Not seeing a downside here....

212 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:41 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Well, with the Income Tax, you can choose whether to work or not. I'd say they are about equal in "voluntariness".


213 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:43 AM PST by expatpat
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To: bmweezer
"The NRST would, by definition be a highly regressive system that would hurt the middle class far more than the wealthy"

I notice the author did not elaborate on this silliness.

The only way this would hurt the middle class more than the wealthy is if the wealthy bought fewer or less expensive items. They'd have to give up buying furs, jewelry, yachts and so forth. I doubt they would do that.

214 posted on 01/31/2005 8:41:48 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: snowsislander
The most egregious (and there are many to select from) are probably (1) the Fair Tax would not be optional; it would be voluntary only in the sense that can elect to buy or not to buy an item

Yeah right. Under that reasoning the income tax is also optional; you just keep your income under a certain level and you don't have to pay anything. Indeed if it is much under it, they will give you money under the EITC.

215 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:00 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Hi Heels; Conspiracy Guy

Behave....us??????


216 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:30 AM PST by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

BINGO


217 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:30 AM PST by international american (Tagline melting.............................................)
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To: RobRoy
Heavily taxing the act of spending (and it would be heavy) would not exactly by an economic boost.

The boost comes from eliminating the cost of tax compliance at EVERY stage of production--and not only the cost of tax compliance is eliminated, but the gigantic, politicized, greedy, unwieldy, pork-stuffed, unreadable current tax code is ALSO gone! Gone are the costs of hiring tax attorneys to lobby for miniscule reductions in industry-specific taxes that strangle production! Gone are the costs of thousands of federal tax offices, machinery, employees, supervisors, computers, telephones, papers, mailing costs, specialists--GONE! The savings to government would be in the many billions of dollars--any idea what tax compliance costs YOU, costs business, costs the government, costs the economy? GONE!

218 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:42 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: freepatriot32

You just went and described the VAT that they have in Eurpope. The NRST is NOT a VAT.


219 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:56 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: rwfromkansas
After reading the first few sentences of his screed, I don't need to look at the guy's Web site to understand he seems to have some personal issues that obstruct his ability to reason.

Thanks for the ping.

220 posted on 01/31/2005 8:43:07 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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