Replies

Here's a single DU post from that thread, which symbolizes the isolationism and reactionary attitude that used to be associated with some parts of the Right. The Dems have gone a long way from Kennedy's "pay any price, bear any burden":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=102&topic_id=1196550&mesg_id=1196634

________________

1196634, Even if this were true
Posted by patsified on Sun Jan-30-05 09:32 AM

Even if all the Iraqis in the world are jumping up and down and clapping and dancing and crying for joy; even if there were really and truly 100% turnout for this election; even if the winner of this election were truly the choice to represent the majority of all Iraqis:

Was this worth destroying the United States of America? Was this worth sending our nation tumbling into the toilet? Was this worth destroying our reputation and the worth of our word in the world? Were the lies worth it? Was this worth the billions and billions of dollars emptied from our nation's treasury? Was the enrichment of Halliburton and the Carlyle Group worth it? Was this worth the bloodshed of soldiers and of innocents? Was it worth losing your arms, little Ali? Was there NO OTHER WAY to have achieved this? Am I supposed to jump up and down and clap and dance and cry for joy that MY nation has been turned into a shitpile and everyone in the world hates MY nation now? There is no democracy here in America, but I am supposed to be overwhelmed with good cheer that it exists for the Iraqis?

I can't think of a single cause outside of the borders of my country that would be worth destroying my country for. And that's what has happened, I don't care how happy the Iraqis are. I mourn what my country has become, and I am bitter because I know what she could have been. So I'm sorry if I can't join in the joy today.

________________

BTW, President Bush is on the air, I think in a few minutes.

Was this worth the bloodshed of soldiers and of innocents? Was it worth losing your arms, little Ali? Was there NO OTHER WAY to have achieved this? Am I supposed to jump up and down and clap and dance and cry for joy that MY nation has been turned into a shitpile and everyone in the world hates MY nation now?

What I would say to this jerk is: Why is YOU being loved and adored so much more important than freedom of PEOPLE, wherever people are found? And if the founding fathers had decided that life was more important than liberty, where would you be today?

Interesting how DUmmies think it's the death of the US because we stood up for something they're always crowing about--intervention in foreign lands in order to prevent atrocities, torture and dictatorship. Were W a democrat these EXACT SAME DUMMIES would be posting "WHOOOO!!!! I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!" (Just as some FReepers would be saying we shouldn't be interventionist.)

While Clinton acted in Bosnia in his flailing around to create SOME kind of legacy (I don't know if I buy the "to distract from Lewinsky" angle, as I don't think one just orders up an invasion on a moment's notice), Bush has taken a huge risk in so many ways in order to stabilize the most volatile section of the planet, which would directly impact US. He acted in the very best tradition of enlightened self-interest--his primary goal was to help the U.S., but driving a stake of democracy into the heart of Islamofascism was the chosen method. For that he will be remembered as a great president.

Al Gore and John Kerry are two more in the Carter-Clinton mode of weak-willed democrats who are too timid to risk greatness.