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Too bad many GOP voters are on the verge of breaking away over the immigration and spending issues.

The people on the verge of breaking away over emigration and spending issues equal the number of voters who in 2000 voted for Buchanan and the Libertarian candidate. In other words they represent about 850 thousand voters. If they had all voted for Kerry in 2004 Bush would have won by 2.2 million votes and he would have carried Ohio by 80 thousand votes rather than 118 thousand. If Bush can make Republicans out of seven million voters who in the past mostly voted for Democrats at the cost of less than a million fringers, Republicans can win elections by a 55 to 45 margin rather than 51 to 49. He can build a Republican party that a Ross Perot or Teddy Roosevelt can not defeat.

You are judging support by the attention the anti- emigration and anti-deficit people get on FR and in some of the media. You count the support for your views that exist in the solid blue states. Those voters are not a factor in Republican politics. And in red states they are insignificant.

If you go back and read the FR threads from 2000 you will wonder why President Buchanan in 2000 didn't win more states than Reagan did in 1984.

FDR, Truman, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Reagan spent a far greater percentage of our GNP using borrowed money and it cost them zero votes. And the last guy to think that emigration would defeat a Republican was William Jennings Bryan. He got defeated 3 times in a row.

Only Democrats and the far right gloom and doomers think they can defeat a Karl Rove backed candidate in an election.

There is a reason Democrats are unable to defeat the team of Bush and Rove. Rove and Bush always do what a majority of the voters want done. The one clear fact that has been true for 200 years is that candidates who propose to do what a majority of voters want done always get elected.

People on the far right and far left are always looking for powerful charismatic rulers to charm the voters and get in office so they can do "what is right.. not what the voters want". This is a nation that only elects public servants .. and never public rulers. That is why Alan Keyes type candidates never make it into the ballot box. In fact they are almost always counter productive to their cause. That is why Tancredo type caniddates never get to be more than small pimple on a major parties rump.

It has been over 200 years and the far right and far left have never figured it out.

Karl Rove and George Bush hope to move the government to where a majority of the voters now are. Democrats hope to keep the government where the voters used to be. The far right and far left hope to move the governments where the voters are not now, never have been, and are not likely to ever be.

The center represents about 20 million votes. Losing the 2 percent that makes up the fringe in order to gain 10 percent of voters in the center is the kind of trade that gives a political party decades long electoral domination.

The fringers always demand that major parties follow a prescription for massive defeat.. and they never, never, ever understand why the major parties refuse them.