Posted on 01/29/2005 7:38:39 PM PST by bayourod
LITTLE ROCK - Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life.
Holt, R-Springdale, replied later that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.
Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.
"Somebody needs to ask Sen. Holt what welfare this bill would stop," Huckabee said in a question-and-answer period with reporters on Thursday morning. Many aid programs are state-administered but federally funded and are mandated to be available to people in need, Huckabee said.
Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, "I don't understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state," Huckabee said.
Holt replied, "I think the politically correct movement has misconstrued what compassion really means. They think compassion means that any person can disrespect our laws and that we're supposed to be tolerant and let them get away with it.
"True compassion is correcting them so in the future they can be law-abiding citizens," Holt said.
Holt said he would seek a state attorney general's opinion on what the bill would do if passed. He said he would delay further action on it, at least temporarily, to allow the attorney general to respond.
The bill is modeled after a similar law in Arizona and supported by the newly formed group Protect Arkansas NOW. The group's chairman is Joe McCutchen of Fort Smith. "I know Sen. Holt and Mr. McCutchen say they're pro-life," Huckabee said. "We're trying to preserve the life of someone who, when born, will be an American citizen with his first breath. We can spend $900 on pre-natal care when the mother is pregnant. Instead, this bill would have us take a chance and spend $2,000 a day at Children's hospital if the baby's born and something has gone wrong. That's anti-life."
Huckabee said he took exception to characterization of immigrants in the bill and by its supporters as exploiters of social programs. "They pay sales taxes on their groceries," Huckabee said. "They pay fuel taxes. If they're using a fake Social Security number, they're paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit. It would be closer to the truth to say they're subsidizing Joe McCutchen and Jim Holt more than the other way around.
"Something that's not worth sharing is not worth celebrating," Huckabee said. "This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude."
McCutchen, reached by telephone at his home in Fort Smith, repeated some of Holt's arguments, including the one that the people referred to in Holt's bill are in the United States illegally.
"They broke the law," he said. "My angst is not with them, though. My angst is with the state and federal government for not enforcing our laws."
People living illegally in the United State has "overwhelmed our school and welfare system," McCutchen said. As for whether the bill reflects un-Christian attitudes, McCutchen said: "Jim Holt is as good a man and as good a Christian as any man walking this Earth."
"Doggone it, the rule of law is not being upheld, and that's wrong," McCutchen said.
McCutchen joined Holt in a news conference last week to announce the forming of Protect Arkansas NOW and to discuss plans to file SB 206. Since that news conference Friday on the state Capitol steps, McCutchen was featured on the web page of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks membership and activities of groups such as the Ku Klux Klan. One group tracked by the center is the Council of Conservative Citizens, which claimed McCutchen as a member, according to the law center's article. The article is available at: http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp
"To anybody who will listen, I'll make a speech at my own expense," McCutchen said. The CCC "asked me to come up and make a talk on illegal immigration. The talk lasted 15 minutes and I drove myself to Virginia to give it. I financed that thing by myself."
A letter of McCutchen's was reprinted in a magazine owned by the CCC, according to the law center website. "I did buy a list of donors from the American Immigration Council. I sent out a letter to about 200 people telling what I was doing," McCutchen said. "I suppose one of those letters went out to this magazine.
"That was the end of that, I thought," McCutchen said. "I'm just astounded by the attention this has received. CNN (Cable News Network) was at my home Tuesday afternoon. The very next morning, the Southern Poverty Law Center sent this out and the segment on CNN is on hold."
I don't believe this is true. Every major outsourcing announcement I've seen includes a layoff announcement for US employees. Companies outsource because it's cheaper than paying wages and benefits to US employees.
"Remember the population only grew 1% last year including illegals, and in many geographic/business sectors we have severe labor shortages that are forcing companies to out source and relocate over seas."
So in fact you're simply saying you want the Mexicans here for cheap labor only. How kind of you.
If you're talking about abortion, I hope you are wrong.
let all who support the illegals, truly support them via sponsorships.
You personally be responsible for their room, board,education,legal and medical bills. Apparently you feel there are enough of you to each take on at least one family.
Leave the rest of us that uphold the law and entered this country legally--- alone . We received nothing for free , and as U.S.citizens still don't.
why all this sympathy and scatology for the lawless ?
I have been living in the US now for over 6 years and finally got my Greencard last Friday. It has been a long road and battle to get this card and it cost the company I work for over $25,000 to secure it for me. I love this country - that said I don't understand why illegal immigrants aren't being sent back to Mexico after illegally crashing the US border? Does an illegal alien simply reaching Chicago, Detroit, LA or any other major city in America mean they are homefree and not able to be sent back home? Seems only the border patrol sends them back? Why are they not being pursued? Seems a big joke to me and other legal immigrants who spent a lot of time and money trying to do things the legal and correct way.
I'll let them know. I'm certain they will consider themselves severely chastised and will mend their politically incorrect behavior.
..I understand, even if, he doesn't. America has almost always open its arms to people yearning to be free, prosperous and welcome those, who are willing to assimilate into our vast population and share our unique traditions...and not usurp our laws and traditions, per instruction from foreign government(s) seeking the Looting of U.S./State Treasuries and/or Reconquest of the SW portion of the U.S.
Not just Mexicans and not just cheap. Why don't we let American businesses make their case for what they need? We know what the international socialists labor unions will always say.
1968: The company is founded by two Americans who are quickly joined by Andrew Grove, a 31-year-old Hungarian engineer who fled his country 12 years earlier as Soviet tanks poured in. Grove, who left Hungary with $20 in his pocket, will eventually rise to be Intel's CEO.
1969: Intel scores its first big success with the MOS chip, which becomes the semiconductor industry's favorite technology. The team that develops the chip is spearheaded by Les Vadasz, a Hungarian who will eventually become an Intel vice president.
1970: Intel introduces the DRAM chip, which will soon be one of the fundamental building blocks of virtually all computers. Les Vadasz plays a key role on the development team.
1971: Dov Frohman, an Intel engineer from Israel, invents the EPROM chip, which retains its memory even when the power is turned off. It quickly becomes indispensable in everything from telecommunications equipment to automobiles.
1974: Intel unveils the 8080, the first general-purpose microprocessor. Of the three top people on the development team, one (Federico Faggin) is Italian and one (Masatoshi Shima) is Japanese.
1979: The company produces the 8086 chip, which, with slight modification, will become the brains of the first IBM personal computer. The team that engineers the chip is headed by Jean-Claude Cornet, a French immigrant.
1993: Intel introduces the state-of-the-art Pentium chip. The Pentium project is managed by Vinod Dham of India. And one of the chip's two principal architects is another Indian, Avtar Saini.
So where would Intel be without immigrants? The company's communications director, Howard High, just shakes his head at the question; he can't imagine. But he does know one thing: Intel will continue to profit from imported brainpower. If U.S. law prohibits it from arriving on boats or planes, it will slip in through telephone modems.
GOOD to hear. :))
Fine by me. I'd do my part for the future of America.
Yeah, Brayodout, wanting the law enforced is the surest mark of a cult.
And Buchanon is so inactive except in the press, I doubt he sees Tancredo often if at all though they are both right here in the DC area.
There is only one reason all these politicians are in favor of more criminal immigration: the profiteers make bigger campaign donations.
Now, dont you have some gay pride parade to ride in?
I think all the people you just mentioned were legal residents of their country or legal immigrants. Were their any line jumpers or illegal boarder crossers here?
Guv Huck is trolling the illegal chicken pluckers for the super rich Tyson meat packing type scum.
These elected and appointed pimps for lawbreakers are really starting to give me a major pain in the arse.
When it comes to beating us over the head with the bible and christian morality, about the janet jackson boob event last year... they LOVE biblical moral christian principles. THEY WANT government to FORCE christian values on every one.
But when it comes to Christian Morality in social issues, and compassion on the millions of illegal immigrants who are already cooking our food, driving our cabs and buses, and taking up the trash... they don't want the FEDS to do anything remotely christian or biblical regarding the care and keeping of the 'untouchable' caste of illegals.
As health care coverage is increasingly becoming hard to get for working americans, and as the illegals are put even further outside healthcare mechanisms, we may not like the results. epidemics.
Same goes for educating the american citizen children of said illegals. WE can either train them to read, write and work, or count on them turning out to be criminals, or drains on the social welfare system into adulthood. BUT 'no' they don't want to take care of the little american brats birthed to the nasty illegals either. Christian principles or not, they don't want the government to support THOSE kind of christian virtues.
But let a nipple pop out, and the whole raving lot of us go ballistic about morals and virtues.
something is not right.
If we can rebuild Iraq, and build their infrastructure anew, feed and clothe and educate their kids, then we should also build the human infrastucture that we havehere, and improve their lot in life as part of our national-human capitol too.
Huckabee, if he is saying that, is right.
And I agree with you.
Were these individuals in the USA illegally? Hell, NO! You seem to have difficultly recognizing the difference between legal immigration and illegal entry into the USA. I would venture to say that most here have no real problem with legal migration to the US, however you don't reward those that have or are currently breaking the law with "guest cards" or visas.
Additionally, why allow those businesses that break federal laws determine immigration policy?
Christianity deals with relations between persons not with forced taxation by the government in terms of supporting people here illegally. And the right response is not necessarily determined by the powerhouses in government and the corporate world...both of which have their own selfish reasons for supporting illegals.
Welfare has nbothing to do with loving one's neighbor when the money of one person is forcibly taken to give to another, however well-meaning this may appear with decades of liberal propaganda and indoctrination.
We have a growing crisis in the United States with a tsunami of illegal aliens overwhelming our systems. Most of these persons come from Mexico--a corrupt, inefficient country filled with violence and poverty due to the insatiable greed of its oligarchy. There is no reason for the citizens of the United States and its legal residents to tolerate this banditry and coercion. As for the Southern Poverty Law Center, it is a leftwing group of facists who long ago detoured from their original purpose.
Exactly! That's the point.
The $12 per hour immigrants working on the shop floor support the $45,000 per year accountants, managers, designers, nurses, salesmen, engineers, human relations pukes, attorneys, buyers, industrial psychologists, truck drivers, third vice-presidents, executive secretaries, .....
They ALL pay taxes, the company pays mucho (that's Mexican lingo) property taxes.
Everyone loses when labor unions get control of government and artificially force wages beyond what the market will support.
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